When "Neighborhood Watch" Gets Out of Hand

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Actually yeah, there is: the only thing Zimmerman knew about this kid, reported to the police, was that he was black and he "didn't know what his deal was". Zimmerman called in a kid walking alone a street simply because he was black. The kid was doing nothing but walking.



No. Not at all. There is zero evidence of any "gash" on his head. There is zero evidence of blood on the back of the shirt (head "gash") or the front of the shirt ("broken nose"), along with zero dirt or grass stains. Witnesses said he was wearing this shirt during his fight with Treyvon.

Even tiny head lacerations bleed like crazy, especially when your are fighting, and your adrenaline and blood pressure are going. Impossible for him to have anything other than a bruise and a completely minor skin abrasion with no blood - and virtually impossible to have any scalp skin break without some blood. Let alone zero blood from a "broken nose".



There are witnesses the police ignored that said the opposite. Right now on the video there is zero visible evidence of swelling, injury, blood on his face, blood on the back of his clothes, blood on his sleeve. Amazing, if his nose was broken in the front, and his head "gashed" in the back. The immaculate broken nose?



Sorry. He didn't change clothes. There is no blood on his clothes. And as a former paramedic, I'll tell you that we don't wash people off. And in a murder, the police wouldn't let us eliminate any blood evidence anyway.



I'm saying that the facts leaked by the police don't match with the dog and pony show Zimmerman's brother is putting out to the press. This police department has a history of racial incompetence and problems in the community. The current police chief was brought in to fix it. Now he's on leave, too.



According to the various 9-11 calls released by the PD, that have the fight and the murder (the shots) in the background, the "fight" lasted at least 45 seconds before a gunshot stills the cries for help.

I think you can clearly see the gash on the back of his head. You have to watch the video very carefully but when he gets at a certain angle, it is clearly visible.

If Trayvon would have been a Latino male, are you saying that Zimmerman would not have followed him? If that is what you are saying, what do you base that on?

Here is a still photo of the gash on Zimmerman's head:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/po...w-head-injury/

We will see what ends up happening. There is certainly a lot of pressure on the prosecutor to file charges. Now that the case is under a microscope, are you confident that a thorough investigation will be done?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Rupert Pupkin

I think you can clearly see the gash on the back of his head. You have to watch the video very carefully but when he gets at a certain angle, it is clearly visible.

If Trayvon would have been a Latino male, are you saying that Zimmerman would not have followed him? If that is what you are saying, what do you base that on?

Here is a still photo of the gash on Zimmerman's head:
http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/po...w-head-injury/

We will see what ends up happening. There is certainly a lot of pressure on the prosecutor to file charges. Now that the case is under a microscope, are you confident that a thorough investigation will be done?

Rupert, I'm saying that, if my teenaged son left to walk to the store and back during a televised basketball halftime, and never came home, and three days later I found out he was murdered, and there was very little "police investigation" at all into why my child was dead - I'd be calling my Congresswoman, too.

I've said multiple times in this thread: if they had charged Zimmerman with anything - even unlawful discharge of a weapon - at least there may have been some investigation, some retention of evidence, and trying the case in public could have been halted.

The police, this department with a long history of racial profiling and community unrest, and incompetence, decided within an hour or so no charges at all need be filed, against the advice of the lead investigator. A seventeen-year-old kid is dead, and the police said, "yeah, well, it's okay, it was self-defense, carry on everyone". That's beyond absurd incompetence.

When a pedestrian walks across the 4-lane New Circle Road in Lexington, and gets hit and killed by a motorist (sadly happens a couple times a year), the motorist is given a breathalyzer, report taken, scene forensics, etc. done. The cops just don't say, "Oh, you say didn't see him in the rain? Okay. We believe you", and let it go after an hour or two. Even if zero charges are filed against the driver as they couldn't avoid it. The investigation leads to the truth. A thorough investigation of why a person is suddenly dead at the hand of another.

There was little to no apparent investigation of the murder of this teenaged boy.

BTW: re the Daily Caller "enhanced" video: an alleged "possible" two-inch skull laceration produced no blood on the shirt witnesses said he was wearing at the scene? No. I'm not buying that, unless police photos taken at the time show one bloody mess on the back of his collar and shirt.

Any skull laceration, even tiny, produces copious amounts of blood - ask the parent of any two-year-old. And a lac that large calls for immediate sutures in the ER. That was never done. If it (what the DC alleges possibly could be a strange vertical cut along the top of the scalp) is true, it must have left a huge visible bumpy scar, having been left to heal without any wound closure.

[Rupert Pupkin]

Originally Posted by Riot

Rupert, I'm saying that, if my teenaged son left to walk to the store and back during a televised basketball halftime, and never came home, and three days later I found out he was murdered, and there was very little "police investigation" at all into why my child was dead - I'd be calling my Congresswoman, too.

I've said multiple times in this thread: if they had charged Zimmerman with anything - even unlawful discharge of a weapon - at least there may have been some investigation, some retention of evidence, and trying the case in public could have been halted.

The police, this department with a long history of racial profiling and community unrest, and incompetence, decided within an hour or so no charges at all need be filed, against the advice of the lead investigator. A seventeen-year-old kid is dead, and the police said, "yeah, well, it's okay, it was self-defense, carry on everyone". That's beyond absurd incompetence.

When a pedestrian walks across the 4-lane New Circle Road in Lexington, and gets hit and killed by a motorist (sadly happens a couple times a year), the motorist is given a breathalyzer, report taken, scene forensics, etc. done. The cops just don't say, "Oh, you say didn't see him in the rain? Okay. We believe you", and let it go after an hour or two. Even if zero charges are filed against the driver as they couldn't avoid it. The investigation leads to the truth. A thorough investigation of why a person is suddenly dead at the hand of another.

There was little to no apparent investigation of the murder of this teenaged boy.

BTW: re the Daily Caller "enhanced" video: an alleged "possible" two-inch skull laceration produced no blood on the shirt witnesses said he was wearing at the scene? No. I'm not buying that, unless police photos taken at the time show one bloody mess on the back of his collar and shirt.

Any skull laceration, even tiny, produces copious amounts of blood - ask the parent of any two-year-old. And a lac that large calls for immediate sutures in the ER. That was never done. If it (what the DC alleges possibly could be a strange vertical cut along the top of the scalp) is true, it must have left a huge visible bumpy scar, having been left to heal without any wound closure.

I agree with you. I think there should be a thorough investigation. But I don't think people should be convicting this guy before there is a thorough investigation.

I think you bring up good points about no blood being visible on his shirt. I can't explain why there is no blood visible on his shirt. But I also can't explain why numerous witnesses said his nose was broken and bloody. I guess it's possible that they were all lying. It will be interesting to see what the medical report says and what the paramedics say. Some people might discount the medical report and claim that Zimmerman inflicted the injuries on himself before he went to the doctor (or hospital or wherever he got treated) the next day. But I think it will be hard to discount the testimony of the paramedics.