Wait On That Abortion

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

. "Unlimited abortions for free" under Obamacare .

I cant possibly believe that this statement is true.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I cant possibly believe that this statement is true.

Well, I don't know any better than you do what form ObamaCare will ultimately take if not repealed. But there are articles stating that it could happen.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....ding-has-begun

Even if there are no abortion-specific restrictions, I concede that there might be a lifetime cap on medical expenditure per patient in general, and that the abortions would be limited alongside other medical procedures in that way.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well, I don't know any better than you do what form ObamaCare will ultimately take if not repealed. But there are articles stating that it could happen.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/index....ding-has-begun

Even if there are no abortion-specific restrictions, I concede that there might be a lifetime cap on medical expenditure per patient in general, and that the abortions would be limited alongside other medical procedures in that way.

abortion should only be considered a health care problem if the woman was raped, under 18 or could die from complications from pregnancy.

If a woman gets pregnant and CHOOSES abortion, it should not be considered a health care problem, and she should pay big bucks out of her own pocket.

[Antitrust32]

Also I dont really understand why we call it ObamaCare. I dont think Obama had any real input. Neither did the Senate since they just slipped it through in a shady way. It's really PelosiCare... which is much worse.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

Also I dont really understand why we call it ObamaCare. I dont think Obama had any real input. Neither did the Senate since they just slipped it through in a shady way. It's really PelosiCare... which is much worse.

"Shady way"?- no. Sorry, that's completely false. I know someone mentioned "reconciliation" to you, and that's what you are referring to, but that was only done for some small portions of the bill afterwards that needed technical corrections.

The entire final bill was clearly posted in public in full for days prior to the vote, it was debated, and voted upon. There was nothing remotely shady about it.

It's really also RomneyCare, and Republicare - it has multiple provisions within it that the GOP have asked for and pushed for, past and present, and have historically strongly supported.

The GOP would be lauding themselves for their great historical achievement with this bill, if it wasn't completed during a democratically-controlled Congress under a Dem president.

Don't forget this bill has plenty of perks for private insurance companies. It's more "Republican" in provinance than "Democratic", when looking at what the parties have supported historically in the past.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Well, I don't know any better than you do what form ObamaCare will ultimately take if not repealed..

Complete nonsense. Try reading it. It's already law. It's been law for a year. It's not speculation. There is no silly guessing "what form it could take" - the form is already law and is currently in effect.

There is no need to lie and "speculate" about the PPACA. It is concrete and done. You could read the actual law on the internet today, and note that it is specific within the law, in addition to the provisions of the Hyde Amendment, that no federal funds have been, or will be, used for abortion, either within the PPACA or without (Planned Parenthood for example).

Geeshus cripes, the facts drive some crazy. The far right wing fear machine is still attacking some imaginary, made-up enemy. They look beyond absurd.

You want "death panels"? Look at Arizona, where Gov. Jan Brewer removed state funding for transplants for those on state medical care, and two people have already died.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Riot

Complete nonsense. Try reading it. It's already law. It's been law for a year. It's not speculation. There is no silly guessing "what form it could take" - the form is already law and is currently in effect.

There is no need to lie and "speculate" about the PPACA. It is concrete and done. You could read the actual law on the internet today, and note that it is specific within the law, in addition to the provisions of the Hyde Amendment, that no federal funds have been, or will be, used for abortion, either within the PPACA or without (Planned Parenthood for example).

Geeshus cripes, the facts drive some crazy. The far right wing fear machine is still attacking some imaginary, made-up enemy. They look beyond absurd.

You want "death panels"? Look at Arizona, where Gov. Jan Brewer removed state funding for transplants for those on state medical care, and two people have already died.

So I should read it but the geniuses who passed it without reading it didn't have to? Brilliant.

You know full well that there will be continued legal wrangling to support abortion under the ObamaCare umbrella. The president's symbolic executive order is meaningless, and the ObamaCare advocates have stated that they don't think the Hyde amendment applies. Henry Waxman is on record as wanting to get abortion covered under this health care monstrosity.

It would not surprise me one bit that in this 2000+ page law that there is some poison pill that will somehow mandate that abortion be covered.

So spare me your condescension and B.S.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by joeydb

So I should read it but the geniuses who passed it without reading it didn't have to? Brilliant.

Who, exactly, out of all the Senators and Congressmen, are you referring to? Care to name specific names, please?

It was pretty hilarious recently when Michelle Bachmann started screaming about "secret funding" (that wasn't secret, nor a slush fund) Strangely, she was not embarrassed.

You know full well that there will be continued legal wrangling to support abortion under the ObamaCare umbrella.

No, there won't. Because there's nothing in the PPACA that remotely provides for abortion.

The president's symbolic executive order is meaningless,

What president's executive order are you talking about?

and the ObamaCare advocates have stated that they don't think the Hyde amendment applies.

Who? Which advocates? Name names, and name their statements.

What crazy fact-bereft blog are you reading?

Henry Waxman is on record as wanting to get abortion covered under this health care monstrosity.

Yet it is not covered. That would take a change to the law, wouldn't it?

It would not surprise me one bit that in this 2000+ page law that there is some poison pill that will somehow mandate that abortion be covered.

You'd think the rabid anti-abortion crowd would have found that during the past year, wouldn't they? They have not, because it does not exist.

So spare me your condescension and B.S.

No. You want to argue the healthcare law and abortion, YOU are responsible for knowing the facts and truth of the matter.

You want to come in blazing with false statements, don't get pissed when you are called out on it.