Wait On That Abortion

[Danzig]

40 years after roe v wade, and people still want to make it the #1 issue. it's not. if you don't believe in it, don't get one. otherwise, myofb.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

40 years after roe v wade, and people still want to make it the #1 issue. it's not. if you don't believe in it, don't get one. otherwise, myofb.

I thought jobs and unemployment were the number one issue this past election.
I am glad to see that we've had a record year of corporate profits, however.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I thought jobs and unemployment were the number one issue this past election.
I am glad to see that we've had a record year of corporate profits, however.

i said people still want to make it #1-of course that's some people-not everyone. there are voters who vote strictly on who is 'pro life'. i think that's a misnomer, who the hell is pro death?

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i said people still want to make it #1-of course that's some people-not everyone. there are voters who vote strictly on who is 'pro life'. i think that's a misnomer, who the hell is pro death?

Well, Dr K, the various serial killers among us (I don't recall how many the FBI says are around), the Hemlock Society and other such groups, and supporters of Capital Punishment (ironically including many folks who are "pro-life")

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, Dr K, the various serial killers among us (I don't recall how many the FBI says are around), the Hemlock Society and other such groups, and supporters of Capital Punishment (ironically including many folks who are "pro-life")

i was referring to those who use the pro life moniker as a way to exalt themselves. people who are pro choice aren't pro death, they're generally people who think that people have to figure things out for themselves.
i've read that religion is a way to mind other peoples business, i think the abortion argument is a perfect example of that.


also, just because you, somer, know of a couple of women who used abortion as a bc method doesn't necessarily prove anything on a wider scale.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i was referring to those who use the pro life moniker as a way to exalt themselves. people who are pro choice aren't pro death, they're generally people who think that people have to figure things out for themselves.
i've read that religion is a way to mind other peoples business, i think the abortion argument is a perfect example of that.


also, just because you, somer, know of a couple of women who used abortion as a bc method doesn't necessarily prove anything on a wider scale.

In 2008 (last year stats were available), there were 1,262,350 recorded abortions...approximately half of these involved women who had at least one prior abortion. 11% of all women having an abortion did not use alternative methods of birth control....there is your "wider scale"

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

In 2008 (last year stats were available), there were 1,262,350 recorded abortions...approximately half of these involved women who had at least one prior abortion. 11% of all women having an abortion did not use alternative methods of birth control....there is your "wider scale"

11%. not a huge percentage, is it?

i was talking to a co-worker the other day, said i was glad i was born in an age of birth control. women like to have control over their lives, pregnancy being a big part of that. i like that my children are grown, that i can have a good relationship with my husband without having to worry about children. like i read the other day, i wouldn't take a million dollars for one of my children; but i wouldn't give you a nickel for another one!

[AeWingnut]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Well, Dr K, the various serial killers among us (I don't recall how many the FBI says are around), the Hemlock Society and other such groups, and supporters of Capital Punishment (ironically including many folks who are "pro-life")

I think it is ironic that people against the death penalty are for abortion

what crime could a baby commit to deserve the death penalty?

[jms62]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think it is ironic that people against the death penalty are for abortion

what crime could a baby commit to deserve the death penalty?

They don't kill babies they abort a fetus. Its legal and has been for some time or do you simply not recognize what is legal but against your holier than thou moral code.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by jms62

They don't kill babies they abort a fetus.

That's the same thing. Here's why:

1 sperm + 1 egg becomes 1 fertilized zygote (a singular human cell that has a distinctly different genetic code than the mother and the father).

That zygote will immediately begin the process of replicating and growing. Without interference it will eventually become a human infant in 9 months, which is why people invented the procedure of abortion in the first place.

This also leads to the inescapable scientific conclusion that life begins at conception based on:

the unique DNA, the immediate and sustained growth in volume and complexity, and the fact that prior to conception, no one organism can exist in two pieces.

Progression is:
Zygote -> Blastocyst -> Embryo -> Fetus -> Infant

As anyone knows who has seen CSI or the O.J. Simpson Trial, among other examples, a unique DNA series corresponds to a unique individual. If you find a DNA sample at a crime scene that does not match your current list of suspects, the correct conclusion is that you need to keep looking for a yet unknown individual.

So, unfortunately for the pro-abortion crowd, the fetus, by definition, is someone else's "body". Stating it again, in any human, all non-reproductive cells have 46 chromosomes (the bundles that DNA is arranged in), and, of those non-reproductive cells, all of them match the code of DNA in each other.

The two exceptions are
1) a pregnant female since the child in her womb has his/her own DNA series and
2) God forbid, a cancerous mutation in an adult of either sex.

The unique DNA, the "blueprint" for our construction, signals a unique individual. Legalisms will not obscure or circumvent that truth. Every abortion that has ever taken place was the taking of a life. Sometimes that might have been necessary to save a mother's life. But to whatever extent it was not necessary and was "chosen", it was a pre-meditated murder committed by the would-be mother with the doctor as an accessory.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think it is ironic that people against the death penalty are for abortion

what crime could a baby commit to deserve the death penalty?

Yeah, it works both ways....seems like if you support abortion you would support the death penalty and vice versa. Of course the argument is that the fetus isn't really a baby while the otherside says that a baby is innocent while the person sentenced to death is not. Convenient arguments both ways.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yeah, it works both ways....seems like if you support abortion you would support the death penalty and vice versa. Of course the argument is that the fetus isn't really a baby while the otherside says that a baby is innocent while the person sentenced to death is not. Convenient arguments both ways.

i think there's a huge difference between a woman deciding to be pregnant or not, and a state killing it's citizens as a form of punishment. pro choice people aren't necessarily pro-abortion. they may be pro-mind your business, let another person make up their mind type people, while being against execution as a form of punishment.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by AeWingnut

I think it is ironic that people against the death penalty are for abortion

what crime could a baby commit to deserve the death penalty?

I think it is ironic certain pro life people are also blatant homophobes. Fetus's should have rights, but not gays.

Make a lot of sense.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think it is ironic certain pro life people are also blatant homophobes. Fetus's should have rights, but not gays.

Make a lot of sense.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i said people still want to make it #1-of course that's some people-not everyone. there are voters who vote strictly on who is 'pro life'. i think that's a misnomer, who the hell is pro death?

Exactly. I don't know anyone who is in favor of abortions as birth control! Beyond absurd.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

Exactly. I don't know anyone who is in favor of abortions as birth control! Beyond absurd.

Interesting! I've known several young women who used abortion as exactly that. One of my best friends when I returned to school in 1971 after my tour of duty in the army had at least 4 abortions, her mindset being it was her preferred method of birth control. Over the years I have known several more women who have had multiple abortions...all would say it was "birth control".

[somerfrost]

It's been 38 years since "Roe" (1973), for many women, abortion has been legal their entire lives. In my previous post, I mentioned that I have known women who consider abortion nothing more than a birth control method...I think anyone who doubts that this is a feeling shared by more than a few is naive. You can oppose or back abortion but don't try and "sanitize" that by promoting misconceptions.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Interesting! I've known several young women who used abortion as exactly that. One of my best friends when I returned to school in 1971 after my tour of duty in the army had at least 4 abortions, her mindset being it was her preferred method of birth control. Over the years I have known several more women who have had multiple abortions...all would say it was "birth control".

That's remarkably stupid of them, don't you agree?

But your personal recollections hardly proves anything for the big picture now, especially when considering the availability of various birth control methods to women 40-50 years ago, in the late 1960's and early 1970's.

I still see little evidence that most people are in favor of killing fetuses as a method of birth control.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Riot

That's remarkably stupid of them, don't you agree?

But your personal recollections hardly proves anything for the big picture now, especially when considering the availability of various birth control methods to women 40-50 years ago, in the late 1960's and early 1970's.

I still see little evidence that most people are in favor of killing fetuses as a method of birth control.

Don't misquote me, I said "more than a few" not "most"
Big difference!
Note my response to Danzig

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Interesting! I've known several young women who used abortion as exactly that. One of my best friends when I returned to school in 1971 after my tour of duty in the army had at least 4 abortions, her mindset being it was her preferred method of birth control. Over the years I have known several more women who have had multiple abortions...all would say it was "birth control".

I think those girls are as sick as serial killers.

I'm pro nothing. I dont think abortion is a good thing but I cant tell anyone what to do with their own body. Rape, under 18, medical problems, go for it and it should be paid by healthcare.

If you are using abortion as a means of birth control it should break your bank account (cost tens of thousands) and you should have your tubes tied mandatory.