Wait On That Abortion

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

Yeah, it works both ways....seems like if you support abortion you would support the death penalty and vice versa. Of course the argument is that the fetus isn't really a baby while the otherside says that a baby is innocent while the person sentenced to death is not. Convenient arguments both ways.

i think there's a huge difference between a woman deciding to be pregnant or not, and a state killing it's citizens as a form of punishment. pro choice people aren't necessarily pro-abortion. they may be pro-mind your business, let another person make up their mind type people, while being against execution as a form of punishment.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i think there's a huge difference between a woman deciding to be pregnant or not, and a state killing it's citizens as a form of punishment. pro choice people aren't necessarily pro-abortion. they may be pro-mind your business, let another person make up their mind type people, while being against execution as a form of punishment.

That's an example of the weaknesses of a sound bite society where every position is reduced to as few descriptive words as possible and everyone is pigeon-holed into one description or the other. Despite my post about serial killers etc. it is obvious that most folks are "pro-life" as opposed to "pro-death", likewise most folks are generally "pro-choice" as opposed to restricting freedom of choice overall. I would say that I am philosophically opposed to abortion but realize that in the end it's a choice made by the individual. I support all logical means of reducing the abortion rate but don't want to see folks forced into a decision by others....so where does that put me?

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by somerfrost

That's an example of the weaknesses of a sound bite society where every position is reduced to as few descriptive words as possible and everyone is pigeon-holed into one description or the other. Despite my post about serial killers etc. it is obvious that most folks are "pro-life" as opposed to "pro-death", likewise most folks are generally "pro-choice" as opposed to restricting freedom of choice overall. I would say that I am philosophically opposed to abortion but realize that in the end it's a choice made by the individual. I support all logical means of reducing the abortion rate but don't want to see folks forced into a decision by others....so where does that put me?

That makes you "pro-choice."

The pro-choice position leaves room for the other side, and those opposed to abortion to not have them, because it's their choice.

The anti-choice position does not leave room for the other side.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That makes you "pro-choice."


The anti-choice position does not leave room for the other side.

but pro-life does.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

but pro-life does.

Not really. At least not in the way the term is used in general -- "pro-life" positions do not leave room for women to make decisions about their own bodies. The "pro-life" position (unless you're using it in a personal abstract, and not the common way we know it) wants to have people completely uninvolved in the situation (legislators) making choices for women, rather than women making them for themselves.

In that way, the "pro-life" position as it's generally understood does not leave room for the pro-choice position at all, because it inherently erases choice -- that's basically the main feature of the entire position.

[randallscott35]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

Not really. At least not in the way the term is used in general -- "pro-life" positions do not leave room for women to make decisions about their own bodies. The "pro-life" position (unless you're using it in a personal abstract, and not the common way we know it) wants to have people completely uninvolved in the situation (legislators) making choices for women, rather than women making them for themselves.

In that way, the "pro-life" position as it's generally understood does not leave room for the pro-choice position at all, because it inherently erases choice -- that's basically the main feature of the entire position.

Exactly. Not only that, you'd be surprised how many people who are "pro-life" have no problem with an abortion for someone who was raped or incest...yet if it is murder, it is murder in that case as well.

[somerfrost]

Originally Posted by randallscott35

Exactly. Not only that, you'd be surprised how many people who are "pro-life" have no problem with an abortion for someone who was raped or incest...yet if it is murder, it is murder in that case as well.

That shows the degree emotion is involved in this topic. As I've said, I cannot supporting forcing women to have a child by legislation but I'm still very uneasy with the number of abortions in this country...I didn't take the time to do the math but easily over 40 million since "Roe"...that's a staggering total!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

That makes you "pro-choice."

The pro-choice position leaves room for the other side, and those opposed to abortion to not have them, because it's their choice.

The anti-choice position does not leave room for the other side.

Well stated. That is also known as "Big Government Takeover Of Individual Healthcare"

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

... pro choice people aren't necessarily pro-abortion. they may be pro-mind your business, let another person make up their mind type people, ....

Precisely. To say someone who is in favor of abortion being legal doesn't mean they are not pro-life. I'm anti-abortion, but completely pro-choice. I absolutely will defend a woman's right to not have my opinion interfere in her life, and her choice of legal health care.

It reminds me of when Bush stuck his stupid, arrogant, government nose into Terry Schiavo's life. I am sick of this generally Republican attitude of thinking that the purpose of government is to control the lives, ethics and morals of others! Government has no business in such interference.