The Derby figure

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I say this to myself about 5 times a day playing NY races it seems. If anyone is surprised the Derby pace wasn't faster, watch one of our turf routes sometime.

i just know it was a constant theme, that the front runners were going to sizzle, would chrome get cooked because of the pace, etc.

i was concerned early on about some of the horses, looked like bumper cars a couple times.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by Danzig

i just know it was a constant theme, that the front runners were going to sizzle, would chrome get cooked because of the pace, etc.

i was concerned early on about some of the horses, looked like bumper cars a couple times.

Wildcat Red's start to the race might have had something to do with the slower than expected pace. He bobbled a bit out of the gate and then got bumped. Then he started running for a few strides but the slow start meant that other horses crossed in front of him and he had to check sharply early. He never really got going.
I'm not saying this was the only cause but I think his presence certainly was a big reason why people thought the pace would be hot, and the circumstances of the race caused him to never sniff the lead.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Wildcat Red's start to the race might have had something to do with the slower than expected pace. He bobbled a bit out of the gate and then got bumped. Then he started running for a few strides but the slow start meant that other horses crossed in front of him and he had to check sharply early. He never really got going.
I'm not saying this was the only cause but I think his presence certainly was a big reason why people thought the pace would be hot, and the circumstances of the race caused him to never sniff the lead.

The same might have been said about Vicar's In Trouble's start - he also figured to tend the pace but wasn't quick enough out and got sawed off by Uncle Sigh - was stuck inside the entire way and finally through in the towel mid turn.

[Kasept]

Thoro-Graph numbers for both cards available now..

https://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/index.php?utid=main

-3 (neg) for Untapable. New top from -2.25 (neg) 2 back.

0 for California Chrome. Slight new top .5 last.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Thoro-Graph numbers for both cards available now..

https://www.thorograph.com/ROTW/index.php?utid=main

-3 (neg) for Untapable. New top from -2 (neg) last.

0 for California Chrome. Slight new top .5 last.

How does Cal Crome's thorograph compare to recent past winners?

[golfer]

Originally Posted by 3kings

How does Cal Crome's thorograph compare to recent past winners?

Faster than Super Saver and I'll Have Another, slower than everyone else from 2006 til the present. About the same as Giacomo from 2005.

The figs are available in the archive section at their site.

This link should give you all the winning figs since 1982:

https://www.thorograph.com/archive/f...inners2013.pdf

[Indian Charlie]

So, according to the link from Golfer, California Chrome is in a multi horse tie for best TG Derby figure in the history of TG, circa 1981 or 1982??

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by 3kings

How does Cal Crome's thorograph compare to recent past winners?

Answered above..

In terms of the way the discussion has come up for this year, TG has the winner and runner up slightly faster than Beyer, but like Beyer, the rest of the field falls logically into line... (As opposed to some that want to insist that they all were magically faster despite all the evidence to the contrary.)