"What are conservatives trying to conserve"?

[ArlJim78]

most republicans are simply anti abortion and would like that their tax dollars don't fund it, very few take the extreme positions that people here are ascribing to them, such as taking away freedoms(some would say freedom to murder). Abortion is trotted out every election cycle, it's used to whip folks into a frenzy, suddenly out of nowhere people are talking about a war on women, the equivalent of the American Taliban, huh? unfortunately it's all a sideshow to distract you from the real damage being done.
the truth is that these social issues are divisive and are not clearly defined by parties. abortion, gay marriage, they both have supporters and detractors in the major parties.

the size and scope of government is the main issue that divides the left and right. the left is only too happy to seek one government solution after another. people on the right simply wonder why when this approach is failing so miserably around the world do people keep pounding the drums for bailouts, new programs, higher taxes (on those other people), increased government spending, new social programs, government takeover of healthcare, etc, etc. please put down the kool aid, dust off your spectacles and take an honest look at what lies ahead. We are on an unsustainable path. doesn't anyone realize what that means? it mean your kids and grandkids will live with a reduced standard of living, that we are done moving forward and now will simply spiral down the drain. these economic shocks that we experienced recently are nothing like what is coming. there is not enough money in the world for us to pay off our obligations over the next 50 years and its our children who are going to be left holding the bag.
this isn't going to go away either, we won't wake up and it will all be gone like a bad dream, time won't heal this wound, it will only make it worse the more time that we continue in this way. we can either do something about it, or we can keep listening to the statists and con men in the government media complex who tell us that our government is wonderful and that they are really taking great care of things for us, when all they are really about is taking care of themselves..

[Riot]

The Hyde Amendment has made it illegal for federal funds to fund abortion for the past 30 years. Zero federal funds are used for abortion.

Republicans can rest assured that no federal funds ever have been, or are used, for abortion.

In spite of that, the facts are that Republicans in Congress and state governments have indeed waged an aggressive and newly renewed war on women's rights over the past two years, even trying to make birth control illegal. Let alone the multiple bills that have been passed this past year legalizing the government requiring object rape of women via vaginal ultrasound penetration, not only against the woman and doctors objection, but requiring the woman to pay for it.

That is nothing other than massive, unprecedented government interference of the individual rights of citizens of this country.

Birth control prevents abortions. A perfect example of a ridiculous war on women with the same Republican party presenting strangely opposing ideas: not only do they want to outlaw abortion that is now legal, but they want to outlaw the birth control that prevents abortions.

The numbers prove an unprecedented current attack on women, and their currently legal rights. To pretend otherwise is absurd. If one is a woman, this is no "sideshow of distraction". It is the reality of trying to keep women home and pregnant.

It is true that demographic changes affect this struggle. But demographic changes did not cause the struggle, nor do they lie at its roots. It is also true, I think, that the views represented by the likes of Rick Santorum are fading, and that his screams against the changes he cannot prevent are like a death rattle.

That doesn't mean they can't do damage, doesn't mean they can't temporarily prevail. But they know their time is passing and that the next generation will not react with shock to the changes that shock Santorum, because they will not experience them as changes, because they will have gotten used to them, because they grew up with them.

There may be as many young women, including Catholic women, as ever who regard themselves as conservative. But nearly all of them use birth control, before as well as during marriage. Gays will be accepted, just as a stroll through the schools of rural Georgia or the streets of Jackson, Miss. today does not reveal what went on there in 1963.

Problems will not end, the competition among values will not end, but the vision of life that Rick Santorum clings to will end, or diminish to a point where it is not politically viable.

Chait is right that the Republican right wing knows this; he is right that they see this as their last shot (it may not be; I wouldn't celebrate victory quite yet); he is right that they are responding with a strategy that will probably end in hastening their political demise (having cultivated that fundamentalist reaction for decades, the Republican Party has backed itself into a corner); and he is right that demographics is affecting the outcome, and will do so over the next decade. But to understand what is happening politically, I think one has to understand that this is about more than demographics: it is about fundamental social change and the reaction to it.

And the fundamental changes at stake and at issue are mostly about rights, the rights won by submerged and subordinate groups roughly between 1954 and 1973, and the privileges and powers lost or limited, or perceived to be lost, by those who benefited, however unjustly, from the subordination of others.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by ArlJim78

most republicans are simply anti abortion and would like that their tax dollars don't fund it, very few take the extreme positions that people here are ascribing to them, such as taking away freedoms(some would say freedom to murder). Abortion is trotted out every election cycle, it's used to whip folks into a frenzy, suddenly out of nowhere people are talking about a war on women, the equivalent of the American Taliban, huh? unfortunately it's all a sideshow to distract you from the real damage being done.
the truth is that these social issues are divisive and are not clearly defined by parties. abortion, gay marriage, they both have supporters and detractors in the major parties.

the size and scope of government is the main issue that divides the left and right. the left is only too happy to seek one government solution after another. people on the right simply wonder why when this approach is failing so miserably around the world do people keep pounding the drums for bailouts, new programs, higher taxes (on those other people), increased government spending, new social programs, government takeover of healthcare, etc, etc. please put down the kool aid, dust off your spectacles and take an honest look at what lies ahead. We are on an unsustainable path. doesn't anyone realize what that means? it mean your kids and grandkids will live with a reduced standard of living, that we are done moving forward and now will simply spiral down the drain. these economic shocks that we experienced recently are nothing like what is coming. there is not enough money in the world for us to pay off our obligations over the next 50 years and its our children who are going to be left holding the bag.
this isn't going to go away either, we won't wake up and it will all be gone like a bad dream, time won't heal this wound, it will only make it worse the more time that we continue in this way. we can either do something about it, or we can keep listening to the statists and con men in the government media complex who tell us that our government is wonderful and that they are really taking great care of things for us, when all they are really about is taking care of themselves..

It's fascinating to me that during the 8 years Bush was running 2 unfunded wars, slashing taxes and forcing through a major new entitlement (Medicare Part D) not a peep was heard from conservatives. But come the inauguration of Obama, suddenly the deficit is the major threat to America's future. And the only way to deal with it, of course, is to slash programs for the poor and middle class. Because shut up, that's why.

Come on, now. Your guy, Cheney, said, and I quote, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

Unless you were posting lots of screeds here against runaway Republican spending during the years 2000-2008. You may have; I don't remember. Please post links to those threads if you did.

Modern conservatism can be summed up in, "If libruls are fer it, we're agin' it!"

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

It's fascinating to me that during the 8 years Bush was running 2 unfunded wars, slashing taxes and forcing through a major new entitlement (Medicare Part D) not a peep was heard from conservatives. But come the inauguration of Obama, suddenly the deficit is the major threat to America's future. And the only way to deal with it, of course, is to slash programs for the poor and middle class. Because shut up, that's why.

Come on, now. Your guy, Cheney, said, and I quote, "Reagan proved that deficits don't matter."

Unless you were posting lots of screeds here against runaway Republican spending during the years 2000-2008. You may have; I don't remember. Please post links to those threads if you did.

Modern conservatism can be summed up in, "If libruls are fer it, we're agin' it!"

that quote is 100% correct. What also is 100% correct is the librul motto "if repubs are for it we are against it"

its the main reason our country is so fucl<ed up. both parties just attack each other, there is no middle ground.....

UNTIL


you go behind the scenes and the guys from both parties are golfing and drinking and laughing to each other about how they've punked the american people into thinking the sides are different from each other and that the government gives a crap about the people they are supposed to represent.


the Bush years sucked. the Obama years have been equally as shitty, with no end in sight.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

that quote is 100% correct. What also is 100% correct is the librul motto "if repubs are for it we are against it"

its the main reason our country is so fucl<ed up. both parties just attack each other, there is no middle ground.....

UNTIL


you go behind the scenes and the guys from both parties are golfing and drinking and laughing to each other about how they've punked the american people into thinking the sides are different from each other and that the government gives a crap about the people they are supposed to represent.


the Bush years sucked. the Obama years have been equally as shitty, with no end in sight.

This is the prevailing wind right now.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

This is the prevailing wind right now.

So the owners of the government realize that they have been discovered so what is their next step? Use their owned media to incite a race war. It will shift focus while they continue to pick our pockets.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

So the owners of the government realize that they have been discovered so what is their next step? Use their owned media to incite a race war. It will shift focus while they continue to pick our pockets.

Not sure what the banksters will do, likely nothing since things do not seem to change (or hope) concerning them.
My plan;
Tear the whole thing down and start from scratch using the easily understood, plain English language of the Constitution as a guideline. That and no more career pols, that is where it all went wrong, go to DC, do your work and go back into the real world and work like the rest of us.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

that quote is 100% correct. What also is 100% correct is the librul motto "if repubs are for it we are against it"

its the main reason our country is so fucl<ed up. both parties just attack each other, there is no middle ground.....

UNTIL


you go behind the scenes and the guys from both parties are golfing and drinking and laughing to each other about how they've punked the american people into thinking the sides are different from each other and that the government gives a crap about the people they are supposed to represent.


the Bush years sucked. the Obama years have been equally as shitty, with no end in sight.