The US Private Healthcare System fails again

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

actually, it's not that expensive dell. ever get a quote on it? for my son, 25 and a smoker, it's about $20 a week thru bc/bc-NOT group coverage mind you.
family of five the other day-about $300/month. and it's also contingent on deductibles and the like. higher deductibles, lower premiums.
truth is most people CAN afford it;most people choose not to. they're young and healthy and don't see a need, not thinking about 'what if?'. the expense comes in when you're overweight, smoker, bad health, etc, etc. you have to pay more-so states have programs in place for high risk or high cost. here in arkansas, you get one decline from one carrier and you can get coverage thru the states program called 'chip'.
but, so many people don't get it. then when they need it, they wish they had it. you know, just like car insurance, homeowners, life insurance. same thing. then they complain because the bills are so high. yes, yes they are.

ask for a hypthetical quote with pre-existing leukemia or self inflicted diabetes

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

ask for a hypthetical quote with pre-existing leukemia or self inflicted diabetes

obviously any pre-existing conditions will affect rates. but if people bought insurance, they would be covered should a health issue arise. after they get ill, then they cry about the system. it's called closing the barn door after the horses all escaped.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Danzig

obviously any pre-existing conditions will affect rates. but if people bought insurance, they would be covered should a health issue arise. after they get ill, then they cry about the system. it's called closing the barn door after the horses all escaped.

Agreed and that's part of the reason why people shouldn't have babies if they can't afford them.

The problem is in the present there are a whole bunch of folks with diseases and no insurance who will be required to have insurance under Obamacare. Because of astronomical premiums they won't be able to afford it hence that responsibility will fall on others who are already struggling in there own lives.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Agreed and that's part of the reason why people shouldn't have babies if they can't afford them.

The problem is in the present there are a whole bunch of folks with diseases and no insurance who will be required to have insurance under Obamacare. Because of astronomical premiums they won't be able to afford it hence that responsibility will fall on others who are already struggling in there own lives.

but that's what i've said already. here in arkansas they have CHIP. it's a state program to provide insurance if your premiums are too high, or you get denied. i have no doubt that other states have the same.

the issue isn't that many people can't afford, for many it's not a priority. then when something happens, they have to pay. you can pay premiums now, or a big bill later. either way, you're going to pay.
the issue for many is that they don't want to get insurance, but don't want a bill either. i find that argument laughable.


our medical industry as a whole needs serious attention. obamacare isn't a solution.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

our medical industry as a whole needs serious attention. obamacare isn't a solution.

It's a darn good start. As it is being implemented, the surprise benefits are wonderful.

It has already insured 10 million Americans who didn't have insurance last year, at affordable prices on the temporary exchanges. Lowered prices for the elderly. Cut Medicare waste by $500 billion over 10 years. Removed the ability of your insurance company to rescind coverage from you, and removed lifetime caps on your coverage so you can no longer have your insurance say, "sorry, we won't pay for your heart disease any more, your limit has been reached".

Once the open exchanges kick in next year, and the non-profits take away the business from the profit-mongers (whose profit has been limited by the ACA to 80-90% of paid premiums, refunds going out to many Americans) healthcare costs will drop markedly for everyone over the next few years. Outstanding.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

obviously any pre-existing conditions will affect rates. but if people bought insurance, they would be covered should a health issue arise. after they get ill, then they cry about the system. it's called closing the barn door after the horses all escaped.

Or They are not allowed to purchase insurance due to pre-existing conditions (nobody would sell to them)

Or they could purchase insurance, except it costs an unaffordable hundreds or thousands a month because they have health conditions (and still won't cover everything).

Or, they had insurance, but the company retroactively decided they wouldn't cover a condition included in the contract.

Fifty million Americans are uninsured, and it's not because they are too cheap to purchase insurance and cry about the system.

The 700 thousand medical bankruptcies in this country are mostly from people who have health insurance, but went bankrupt paying for what the insurance wouldn't cover.

We had a broken, unworkable private, for-profit healthcare system, and that has proven to work terribly for everyone but the insurance profit margin.

The ACA has already made it illegal for the insurance company to deny treatment for pre-existing conditions, kick someone off insurance due to lifetime caps, made preventive care more affordable for seniors on Medicare, removed $500 billion in Medicare waste from the system, provided temporary exchanges where the uninsurable can purchase insurance at affordable prices, closed the donut hole for seniors on Medicare and lowered their drug costs, and allowed young adults to remain on insurance policies until they are 26 (rather than having no insurance)

The Republican candidates all say they will repeal the above current law the day they get into office.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Or They are not allowed to purchase insurance due to pre-existing conditions (nobody would sell to them)

Or they could purchase insurance, except it costs an unaffordable hundreds or thousands a month because they have health conditions (and still won't cover everything).

Or, they had insurance, but the company retroactively decided they wouldn't cover a condition included in the contract.

Fifty million Americans are uninsured, and it's not because they are too cheap to purchase insurance and cry about the system.

The 700 million medical bankruptcies in this country are mostly from people who have health insurance, but went bankrupt paying for what the insurance wouldn't cover.

We had a broken, unworkable private, for-profit healthcare system, and that has proven to work terribly for everyone but the insurance profit margin.

The ACA has already made it illegal for the insurance company to deny treatment for pre-existing conditions, kick someone off insurance due to lifetime caps, made preventive care more affordable for seniors on Medicare, removed $500 billion in Medicare waste from the system, provided temporary exchanges where the uninsurable can purchase insurance at affordable prices, closed the donut hole for seniors on Medicare and lowered their drug costs, and allowed young adults to remain on insurance policies until they are 26 (rather than having no insurance)

The Republican candidates all say they will repeal the above current law the day they get into office.

How many people live here?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

How many people live here?

Ooops, good point - hundred thousand not million, obviously!