Wait On That Abortion

jms62 · #1 03-30-2011, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by joeydb

The tens of billions would not be necessary if people managed their own affairs responsibly, including the decisions on if and when to have children, and preparing and preventing when one does not want to get pregnant.

The issue clearly was not resolved since it has hovered around a 50/50 split in polling for the entire 38 years.

Besides, it takes many many chunks of 10 billion to make 1.6 trillion, doesn't it?

A typical self centered response... Every Billion spent on things you agree with is inconsequential in the big picture yet every Million spent on things you don't agree with is a huge deal.

joeydb · #2 03-30-2011, 09:36 AM

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A typical self centered response... Every Billion spent on things you agree with is inconsequential in the big picture yet every Million spent on things you don't agree with is a huge deal.

I didn't say that.

We don't know what the true cost of the abortion debate is. I took as a given your figure of around $10 billion.

If one is opposed to deficit spending, as I am, one would be proportionately 1,000 times more outraged at a trillion dollar waste than a billion dollar waste. I didn't mention millions, which would follow are one millionth as important as a trillion.

joeydb · #3 03-30-2011, 09:46 AM

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I didn't say that.

We don't know what the true cost of the abortion debate is. I took as a given your figure of around $10 billion.

If one is opposed to deficit spending, as I am, one would be proportionately 1,000 times more outraged at a trillion dollar waste than a billion dollar waste. I didn't mention millions, which would follow are one millionth as important as a trillion.

I do have to correct my post here. It was postulated that the cost of the debate is 10 billion dollars. I compared it to 1.6 trillion in my answer as a reference was made to President Obama and my opposition to his deficit spending. But that's comparing a cumulative cost for a 38 year debate to a one year deficit figure. The actual proportion is much worse when comparing both cumulative figures - it becomes 10 billion versus 14 trillion, and proportionately that much less expensive to the debt, rather than the deficit.

Antitrust32 · #4 03-30-2011, 09:39 AM

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A typical self centered response... Every Billion spent on things you agree with is inconsequential in the big picture yet every Million spent on things you don't agree with is a huge deal.

while I agree with the above... think of how much tax money would be saved in this country if every individual managed their own affairs responsibly, like Joey pointed out.

joeydb · #5 03-30-2011, 09:41 AM

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while I agree with the above... think of how much tax money would be saved in this country if every individual managed their own affairs responsibly, like Joey pointed out.

Many of the 40 million aborted would have been taxpayers too. That helps.

GenuineRisk · #6 03-30-2011, 09:48 AM

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Many of the 40 million aborted would have been taxpayers too. That helps.

Can you prove that? Isn't one of the big right-wing memes right now that half of Americans pay no tax at all? So really, according to the right-wing, only 20 million would be tax-payers; the other 20 million would be moochers.

joeydb · #7 03-30-2011, 09:51 AM

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Can you prove that? Isn't one of the big right-wing memes right now that half of Americans pay no tax at all? So really, according to the right-wing, only 20 million would be tax-payers; the other 20 million would be moochers.

I don't know the fraction. I said many - it's a guess. I didn't say all, or most. I simply don't know. Neither do you.

Antitrust32 · #8 03-30-2011, 09:58 AM

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Many of the 40 million aborted would have been taxpayers too. That helps.

I would actually think that we would be paying more as tax payers for those 40 million than what we'd actually get back, considering the children were unwanted by their parents. more likely see wards of the state.

jms62 · #9 03-30-2011, 09:59 AM

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Many of the 40 million aborted would have been taxpayers too. That helps.

And many many would be in jail or unemployeed too.

GenuineRisk · #10 03-30-2011, 09:46 AM

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while I agree with the above... think of how much tax money would be saved in this country if every individual managed their own affairs responsibly, like Joey pointed out.

Which individuals do you think are eating up most of our tax dollars, Antitrust? I'm not trying to pick a fight; I'm genuinely curious where you think the government spends the majority of its money. Judging from your posts, you get most of your news from right-wing sources, so I'm curious what they're telling you.

Antitrust32 · #11 03-30-2011, 10:01 AM

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Which individuals do you think are eating up most of our tax dollars, Antitrust? I'm not trying to pick a fight; I'm genuinely curious where you think the government spends the majority of its money. Judging from your posts, you get most of your news from right-wing sources, so I'm curious what they're telling you.

you dont know what you're talking about.

GenuineRisk · #12 03-31-2011, 12:20 PM

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you dont know what you're talking about.

That's not an answer. I'm asking you where you think the majority of our tax dollars go. And again, I'm not attacking you; I'm asking. To what programs/obligations do you think the majority of our tax dollars go?

Antitrust32 · #13 03-31-2011, 12:27 PM

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That's not an answer. I'm asking you where you think the majority of our tax dollars go. And again, I'm not attacking you; I'm asking. To what programs/obligations do you think the majority of our tax dollars go?

I'm not having a political conversation with you when you already pegged me as getting all my info from "right wing sources". You couldnt be farther from the truth. Shoot, I'd rather get into a Muslim debate with Riot

GenuineRisk · #14 03-31-2011, 12:32 PM

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I'm not having a political conversation with you when you already pegged me as getting all my info from "right wing sources". You couldnt be farther from the truth. Shoot, I'd rather get into a Muslim debate with Riot

Well then do the independent thing and engage. Antitrust, I'm really, truly curious. If I'm incorrect about your news sources, then feel free to correct my misconception and tell me what those sources are. Where do you get your news? What sources?

The only reason I can ascertain that you would be unwilling to tell me where our tax dollars are spent is that you're afraid you'll have the wrong answer. Even were that true (and I don't know that it is, which is why I asked), isn't it better to uncover the correct information than to continue to believe the incorrect?

Riot · #15 03-31-2011, 07:39 PM

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I'm not having a political conversation with you when you already pegged me as getting all my info from "right wing sources". You couldnt be farther from the truth. Shoot, I'd rather get into a Muslim debate with Riot

You read DailyKos?

BTW, being gay does not mean you can't adopt, or choose to have your own child!, and be a parent.

jms62 · #16 03-30-2011, 09:57 AM

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while I agree with the above... think of how much tax money would be saved in this country if every individual managed their own affairs responsibly, like Joey pointed out.

And think about how great of a country it would be without CEO's lining their own pockets at the expense of everyone. Think about how much more income tax would be generated... This post may be off topic but I felt left out of your Fantasyworld.

Antitrust32 · #17 03-30-2011, 09:59 AM

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And think about how great of a country it would be without CEO's lining their own pockets at the expense of everyone. Think about how much more income tax would be generated... This post may be off topic but I felt left out of your Fantasyworld.

its a damn shame that has to be a fantasy to think that people can behave responsibly.

says a lot about the human race.

jms62 · #18 03-30-2011, 10:00 AM

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its a damn shame that has to be a fantasy to think that people can behave responsibly.

says a lot about the human race.

Agree

Antitrust32 · #19 03-30-2011, 10:02 AM

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Agree

and i agree with you about the CEO's lining their pockets. They act as irresponsible as anyone. It just effects (or affects??) more people because they have the money. Crooks everywhere you turn, whether rich or poor.

jms62 · #20 03-30-2011, 10:06 AM

Since we are living in a Fantasy world. In my fantasy world All people would have to register Pro-Choice or Anti-Abortion on their 21st birthday. Abortion would be banned when more than 50% are Anti-Abortion. Those on the Anti-Abortion list will be randomly assigned a child to adopt and support by the government from the pool of women not wanting to have the baby. How long you think the Anti-Abortion List will be more than 50%..