They are kidding right?

[trackrat59]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

No one would 'elect' this surgery ever unless they felt it 'required'! This is a no-brainer! IMO

Covered

I have to agree. I know this is not the best place for going out on a limb on this one but......imagine living in the body of one sex when your brain is wired to be the other sex. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I can see where this type of surgery appears to be elective but if you stop and think about it those that decide to have this surgery are truly suffering inside.

I'm no expert but I believe the suicide rate is high for this group. Nothing should be worth that.

Covered - agreed.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by trackrat59

I have to agree. I know this is not the best place for going out on a limb on this one but......imagine living in the body of one sex when your brain is wired to be the other sex. I wouldn't wish that on anyone.

I can see where this type of surgery appears to be elective but if you stop and think about it those that decide to have this surgery are truly suffering inside.

I'm no expert but I believe the suicide rate is high for this group. Nothing should be worth that.

Covered - agreed.

would you consider it a birth defect? it must be. and before anyone gets angry with me, i'm calling it that insofar as you're supposed to be a guy/girl, but your body's the opposite. it didn't form correctly. i don't mean it in a bad way at all, so i hope no one misunderstands what i'm saying. at any rate, people don't elect to have this surgery on a whim. i can't imagine how incredibly difficult it must be to know you're a man (or woman), but your body doesn't match.

[brianwspencer]

Originally Posted by Danzig

would you consider it a birth defect? it must be. and before anyone gets angry with me, i'm calling it that insofar as you're supposed to be a guy/girl, but your body's the opposite. it didn't form correctly. i don't mean it in a bad way at all, so i hope no one misunderstands what i'm saying. at any rate, people don't elect to have this surgery on a whim. i can't imagine how incredibly difficult it must be to know you're a man (or woman), but your body doesn't match.

And it's not like they make it real easy to get the surgery....there are tons of psych exams, observation periods, etc. Nobody is even ALLOWED to have this surgery on a whim, even if they want to.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by brianwspencer

And it's not like they make it real easy to get the surgery....there are tons of psych exams, observation periods, etc. Nobody is even ALLOWED to have this surgery on a whim, even if they want to.

that's right. several years of therapy, etc lead up to the actual surgery. hormones, i don't know what all. and the dealing with family, friends, co-workers-aoo to be made right. it's not something easy, and it's not something i'd wish on anyone to go thru. there are children born practically every day who are not clear as to gender-so typically the parents and doctor choose boy or girl, and the child is raised as such. and sometimes, they get it wrong at the start, and those kids go thru hell.

[jms62]

I respectfully disagree, when there are life-saving drugs/procedures that are not covered I don't agree this should be. Sorry. We all would like everything covered yet when our insurance goes up we just blame Obama and the insurance companies.

[3kings]

Originally Posted by jms62

I respectfully disagree, when there are life-saving drugs/procedures that are not covered I don't agree this should be. Sorry. We all would like everything covered yet when our insurance goes up we just blame Obama and the insurance companies.

I don't usually wade in to the politics area but to point this out and say this is why we blame Obama and the insurance companies for high costs is beyond ridiculous. In the big picture the cost of this type of surgery (because it not that prevalent) is so small it is not deserving of even a mentioning. Transgender individuals deserve a chance at a better quality of life just like the rest of us.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by 3kings

I don't usually wade in to the politics area but to point this out and say this is why we blame Obama and the insurance companies for high costs is beyond ridiculous. In the big picture the cost of this type of surgery (because it not that prevalent) is so small it is not deserving of even a mentioning. Transgender individuals deserve a chance at a better quality of life just like the rest of us.

[SARCASAM ALERT] for chrissakes, read my upteen postings attacking those who blame Obama for everything including Caleeb's Posse getting stymied in the Southwest and costing me a few hundo.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by jms62

I respectfully disagree, when there are life-saving drugs/procedures that are not covered I don't agree this should be. Sorry. We all would like everything covered yet when our insurance goes up we just blame Obama and the insurance companies.

Sure it's not immediately saving a life but it certainly is life improving and in some cases life saving for sure. In a way I'd compare it to a deaf child getting cochlear ear implants and hearing for the first time or cataracts being removed allowing the patient to see again. It’s not a nose job or tummy tuck.

[SOREHOOF]

Just more proof of a fkd up world. Without delving into the psychology of the situation, The surgery itself seems a little like something out of a Mary Shelley novel.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're supposed to be a guy/girl, but your body's the opposite. it didn't form correctly.

If you're going to discount any possible psychological explanation for the perception of being "in the wrong body", I guess this is the best we'll do.

Are there any telltale signs, like a particular neurochemical being out of balance? I mean, can you imagine going through permanent surgery when just an appropriate medicine would have corrected the disturbing perception of being "trapped in the wrong body?"

Yeah it's called being a sociopath.

Glibness and Superficial Charm
Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.

Poor Behavioral Controls/Impulsive Nature
Rage and abuse, alternating with small expressions of love and approval produce an addictive cycle for abuser and abused, as well as creating hopelessness in the victim. Believe they are all-powerful, all-knowing, entitled to every wish, no sense of personal boundaries, no concern for their impact on others.

Irresponsibility/Unreliability
Not concerned about wrecking others' lives and dreams. Oblivious or indifferent to the devastation they cause. Does not accept blame themselves, but blames others, even for acts they obviously committed.

Criminal or Entrepreneurial Versatility
Changes their image as needed to avoid prosecution. Changes life story readily.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by joeydb

If you're going to discount any possible psychological explanation for the perception of being "in the wrong body", I guess this is the best we'll do.

Are there any telltale signs, like a particular neurochemical being out of balance? I mean, can you imagine going through permanent surgery when just an appropriate medicine would have corrected the disturbing perception of being "trapped in the wrong body?"

all i know is that some children are born with either unclear gender, or are hermaphrodite, etc. i read or saw on tv that all fetuses start as 'female' and then change about the 5th month if they are supposed to be a boy, based on chromosomes. but what if something doesn't quite go right? there are a variety of causes i guess for things like this, where gender is unclear, or both are evident. so, the doctor takes a shot-he has a 50/50 shot of being right-or being wrong.
all i know is, instead of people discounting something because it's odd, try to find a bit of empathy. imagine walking a mile in those shoes. it's got to be horrible. but then, i'm not someone who thinks your taste in the same or opposite sex is a choice, anymore than i think someone just decides, hey, i think i want to be a guy now. you're asking for all kinds of scorn and abuse by doing so-who the hell would just want to go thru that on a whim??

Originally Posted by Danzig

all i know is that some children are born with either unclear gender, or are hermaphrodite, etc. i read or saw on tv that all fetuses start as 'female' and then change about the 5th month if they are supposed to be a boy, based on chromosomes. but what if something doesn't quite go right? there are a variety of causes i guess for things like this, where gender is unclear, or both are evident. so, the doctor takes a shot-he has a 50/50 shot of being right-or being wrong.
all i know is, instead of people discounting something because it's odd, try to find a bit of empathy. imagine walking a mile in those shoes. it's got to be horrible. but then, i'm not someone who thinks your taste in the same or opposite sex is a choice, anymore than i think someone just decides, hey, i think i want to be a guy now. you're asking for all kinds of scorn and abuse by doing so-who the hell would just want to go thru that on a whim??

Why do people tattoo their cocks?

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Why do people tattoo their cocks?

easy: because no one noticed it or better yet ever took notice before????

if that's wrong, second guess: Because it was a white canvas that would seem to convey being larger with coloring?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Why do people tattoo their cocks?

you're asking the wrong person on that one.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

you're asking the wrong person on that one.