All time best horses

Cannon Shell · #1 02-04-2011, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

I think you nailed it when you said "miserable group of older horses", not sure racing against the males those years would really elevate her that much. I put a lot of stock in certain races...the Arc in France, the Triple Crown and the BCC, I have Tiznow at #34 because of his BCC wins (otherwise nothing that special), my lowest rated TC winner is Sir Barton at #51, and his effort was before the TC was even named.

Using that logic how is Tiznow rated below Zenyatta? Didn't he win the Classic twice? Are her narrow, all out wins over the weak fillies that she faced more impressive?

When you sit down and write down her list of accomplishments and compare to others she is usually dwarfed in achievment. She won a bunch of the same old, synthetic races in CA over and over. The Apple Blossom is NOT big race in this country.

somerfrost · #2 02-04-2011, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Using that logic how is Tiznow rated below Zenyatta? Didn't he win the Classic twice? Are her narrow, all out wins over the weak fillies that she faced more impressive?

When you sit down and write down her list of accomplishments and compare to others she is usually dwarfed in achievment. She won a bunch of the same old, synthetic races in CA over and over. The Apple Blossom is NOT big race in this country.

Tiznow was 15/8-4-2. Zenyatta ran as hard as she needed to, margain of victory may not be impressive but her races certainly were. In a way, she reminds one of Kincsem who would often spot the field many lengths while grazing as the race began only to run them down at will.

miraja2 · #3 02-04-2011, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by somerfrost

In a way, she reminds one of Kincsem

True. They both raced against the local farmers' donkeys a bunch of times and people made a big deal out of them emerging victorious.

DaTruth · #4 02-04-2011, 07:03 PM

The ancient horses get extra credit because they raced at longer distances. As great as Secretariat was, he was unproven at four miles.

hoovesupsideyourhead · #5 02-04-2011, 07:36 PM

onion # 72

Cannon Shell · #6 02-04-2011, 07:37 PM

I've got Joe the Dude at 115 with a bullet

hoovesupsideyourhead · #7 02-04-2011, 07:47 PM

who is the best fla bred, ny bred, pa bred ..

AeWingnut · #8 02-04-2011, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

who is the best fla bred, ny bred, pa bred ..

Silver Charm
Funny Cide tied with Zippy Chippy
Storm Cat

Bucks Boy best Illinois bred?

I have no idea
but it is easy to criticize my list

AeWingnut · #9 02-04-2011, 07:57 PM

best Maryland bred

Cigar?

Cannon Shell · #10 02-04-2011, 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by AeWingnut

Silver Charm
Funny Cide tied with Zippy Chippy
Storm Cat

Bucks Boy best Illinois bred?

I have no idea
but it is easy to criticize my list

I would have to rank Skip Away over Silver Charm
Smarty Jones was a better racehorse than Storm Cat
Bucks Boy maybe the best IL bred

Dahoss · #11 02-04-2011, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

who is the best fla bred, ny bred, pa bred ..

Florida- Dr Fager
NY- Komodo
PA- Go For Wand

Cannon Shell · #12 02-04-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Dahoss

Florida- Dr Fager
NY- Komodo
PA- Go For Wand

I guess I would now rank Dr Fager over Skip Away

Indian Charlie · #13 02-04-2011, 08:07 PM

Oklahoma would be Lady's Secret.

Virginia would be Secretariat.

Washington, that could be Chinook Pass. or less probably, Delicate Vine.

California, probably most would say Swaps, but I'm partial to someone else.

Michigan, Badwagon Harry.

NJ, Open Mind.

Indian Charlie · #14 02-04-2011, 08:12 PM

I would rank Native Dancer greater than Cigar, but I can see how a case could be made for Cigar. For Maryland breds that is.

The Indomitable DrugS · #15 02-04-2011, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Oklahoma would be Lady's Secret.

.....

The day the love for Dixie Doodle finally stopped.

DaTruth · #16 02-04-2011, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Michigan, Badwagon Harry.

Thumbsucker was also a good Michigan-bred.

Indian Charlie · #17 02-04-2011, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hoovesupsideyourhead

who is the best fla bred, ny bred, pa bred ..

Neil Drysdale had a PA bred back in the mid 80s that was truly outstanding.

His name was Electric Blue, and he only raced three times. He had two wins and a second in that awesome rendition of the Hollywood Futurity won by Snow Chief.

That horse had bigtime potential.