The Boss has passed.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Oh I believe that he was real S.O.B. to work for. He also took a beating for some shady dealings in the late 80's.
But if you are a fan of the organization, how can you not love him? The most important thing in the world to him was winning and he would do anything possible for his team to reach it's goal.

you think jack welch ,chuck lee , or any ceo of a major corporation was easy to work for ? no , to be a leader at the top you gotta be an sob and if you are not you don't make it

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by gales0678

you think jack welch ,chuck lee , or any ceo of a major corporation was easy to work for ? no , to be a leader at the top you gotta be an sob and if you are not you don't make it

Come on Marty.............You know there is a difference between just being hard to work for and being a ****. As much as I respect everything the man has done for the Yanks, apparently he fell into that **** category.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

Come on Marty.............You know there is a difference between just being hard to work for and being a ****. As much as I respect everything the man has done for the Yanks, apparently he fell into that **** category.

most guys like it or not matt that get to the top and our ceo's have no mercy , they don't let up on employees

these guys and now ladies are not there to be your friend , they are there to make sure that the job gets done

once the impression in the office that the boss is soft , it's over , people aren't on edge , they relax and that relaxation flows right down the organization

it's just the way it is matt , some people just call someone an a-hole because they are hard to work for i know i have and i have been wrong for it

[herkhorse]

All Star Day an ironic day for him to pass, no?

[Cannon Shell]

George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

steve he bought the team in 1973 , there were ups and downs along the way , please explain to me how the team and baseball as a whole is not better off today than if he never entered the game

did i like everything , of course not , but , i look at the total package and it helped not only the yankees but baseball as well

let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about

Peace out as.shole

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by gales0678

let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about

I don't think I could do his generosity justice.

A partial list off the top of my head:

Upon reading about two firefighters and a police officer dying in the line of duty in the '80s, he formed The Gold Shield Foundation which provides a college education to the spouses and children of fallen officers and firefighters. The Foundation has been a great success and has even spread to the surrounding counties. Tragically, we just lost two police officers in Tampa and the 5 kids left behind will have their educations taken care of when they are ready for college.

A while back, the city of Tampa announced that they didn't have the money to buy badly needed new police cars. George stepped up and bought them. They were always easy to spot because they had Yankee logo stickers on them.

He used to rent the Big Sombrero for a night every year and hold a high school football jamboree so the kids could have an opportunity to play in an NFL stadium.

He would anonymously help people he saw on the local news if they had some sort of tragedy.

He donated the money to build a trauma center at All Childrens Hospital.

He built a branch of the Boys and Girls Clubs and continued to fund it with charity events.

One day, he walked into his favorite breakfast restaurant and announced that he was going to pay to take all the employees to New York for a weekend to see a Broadway play and Yankees game.

When a little league concession stand burned down, he immediately paid for a new one.

I can go on and on. These are only some of the things he did that were publicized, I'm sure there are many more that we will never know about.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

George's mismanagement of the team doesn't mean that the monster (big market/small market) he created wont ultimately drag the league further down. When he bought the team MLB was clearly the number 1 sport in the US. That is far from the truth now and one of the primary reasons is that with proper management in the NFL virtually every team can compete.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

You know that the Marlins two World Series wins are the definition of buying a championship, right?

Also, the Twins won twice, not once.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

again you make no mention of the other team in NY that outspent nearly every other team in baseball over the last 30 yrs and has 1 championship to show for it , spending $$$ doesn't guarnatee anything

you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's

take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

chuck you can talk about all this domination in the late 90's and early part of this century that you want , but , if you take Rivera out of the equation and say put him on the red sox or the braves , the yankees don't have 4 rings in 5 years , it's really quite that simple how much that one player was worth for the yankees and when he goes in a few years let's see how much they win in the big spots in the playoffs when they have a lead going into the 8th inning

football is the #1 sport in america there is no question about that , 16 games vs 162 games has a lot to do with that part of the equation

[slotdirt]

Here is a good list of inductees by year separated by BBWAA and Old-Timers/Veterans Committee inductees. Some of the Veterans Committe inductees (Hack Wilson, Heinie Manush, Goose Goslin, Branch Rickey, etc.) were probably worthwhile, but others (Jesse Haines, Roger Breshnahan, etc.), were most certainly not.

http://www.historicbaseball.com/hof/hallinductees.html

[slotdirt]

Dang, Arky Vaughan needed the Veterans Committee? Probably one of the six or eight best shortstops of all time. That was a BBWAA mistake.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Cardus

Player free agency should be your target here, not an owner willing spend a lot of money to improve his product.

Player movement has disrupted fan allegiance, not an owner like Steinbrenner.

Free agency is only a problem is baseball
Steinbrenner is a major reason why.
No one can say he didnt spend to try to make his teams better especially compared to those which still profit while letting the on field product suffer. But you can also say that his spending was a major reason why MLB never was able to rein in free agency and come up with a better system of player movement/salary cap.

I am not saying that I wouldn't have done the same thing in his shoes. But he is one of the core reasons why there is a competitive imbalance in baseball.

[AlreadyHome]

WOW I WOKE AN BREAKING NEWS WAS ON TV , THE YANKEES BOSS HAD DIE WHOAAAAAAAA THAT SUX , AN IT HURTSSSSS ,FIRST THE VOICE OF GOD DIES AN NOW THE BOSS..... RIP YOU'LL BE MISSED .,,, I'M SAD WOWWWWW