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[gales0678]

Originally Posted by SCUDSBROTHER

This is what you paid Cone in those so called homegrown '90's:


1995 $4,000,000
1996 $4,666,667
1997 $6,666,667
1998 $6,666,667
1999 $9,500,000
2000 $12,000,000

Well over 40 mil. Pig bought your rings for you. Period. All of 'em that were won during his ownership. Would of had 8 if Fernando hadn't found a way to beat Righetti in '81. See, that's a completely a homegrown pitcher throwing a complete game to stop your pig from getting what would have been his third ring from us in 5 years time. I'm fully aware of this pig's ways.

scuds without Rivera - ie Homegrown talent we maybe win 1 title in the Torre era , his importance cannot be overstated

it's funny you mention Cone , pettite pitched game 5 and beat glavine in that game 1-0 , i guess he was a free agent pick up as well

i'm sure you remember jimmy key , he was a free agent as well who beat greg maddux who turned down yankee $$$ and took turner $$$ after leaving chicago - 1 pig beating another in game 6

do you think the braves win every year w/o maddux during the run in the 90's and 00's?

as for Righetti , he didn't get any rings at all , he was a rookie the same year as Fernando

Pettite , Jeter , Posoda , Rivera , Williams = all homegrown talent

that was the main core of the team and w/o Rivera , i honestly don't know how many we win

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by gales0678

scuds without Rivera - ie Homegrown talent we maybe win 1 title in the Torre era , his importance cannot be overstated

it's funny you mention Cone , pettite pitched game 5 and beat glavine in that game 1-0 , i guess he was a free agent pick up as well

i'm sure you remember jimmy key , he was a free agent as well who beat greg maddux who turned down yankee $$$ and took turner $$$ after leaving chicago - 1 pig beating another in game 6

do you think the braves win every year w/o maddux during the run in the 90's and 00's?

as for Righetti , he didn't get any rings at all , he was a rookie the same year as Fernando

Pettite , Jeter , Posoda , Rivera , Williams = all homegrown talent

that was the main core of the team and w/o Rivera , i honestly don't know how many we win

lets not forget the players acquired in trades:

Paul O'neill for Roberto Kelly (now that was a trade!)

Jeff Neilsen and Tino for kids (russ springer and sterling hitchcock?)

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

lets not forget the players acquired in trades:

Paul O'neill for Roberto Kelly (now that was a trade!)

Jeff Neilsen and Tino for kids (russ springer and sterling hitchcock?)

yes

see scuds likes to hone in on free agents and how championships were bought

but why doesn't he bring up the 80's or between 01-08

giambi , mussina , kevin brown , RJ - all were hired guns and went ringless , im sure i'm leaving others out

in the 80's you had winfield , henderson, whitson, kemp , smalley , jack clark etc etc etc

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

yes

see scuds likes to hone in on free agents and how championships were bought

but why doesn't he bring up the 80's or between 01-08

giambi , mussina , kevin brown , RJ - all were hired guns and went ringless , im sure i'm leaving others out

in the 80's you had winfield , henderson, whitson, kemp , smalley , jack clark etc etc etc

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything

So what you are saying is that because they spent the money poorly (usually at the behest of George) that it isn't an advantage to have a enormous financial advantage? Or that the only reason that the homegrown talent was allowed to develop was because George was suspended? Or that they were able to keep that homegrown talent because there was no restriction to how much they could continue to pay them and no other big fish to snatch them away? Or that outside of Cano, Hughes and Gardner that there are virtually no other "homegrown" impact players on the current roster? That they will probably be signing Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee in the off season to $300 million dollars worth of deals?

The yankees are actually burdened by all the money they spend in Gales mind.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

So what you are saying is that because they spent the money poorly (usually at the behest of George) that it isn't an advantage to have a enormous financial advantage? Or that the only reason that the homegrown talent was allowed to develop was because George was suspended? Or that they were able to keep that homegrown talent because there was no restriction to how much they could continue to pay them and no other big fish to snatch them away? Or that outside of Cano, Hughes and Gardner that there are virtually no other "homegrown" impact players on the current roster? That they will probably be signing Carl Crawford and Cliff Lee in the off season to $300 million dollars worth of deals?

The yankees are actually burdened by all the money they spend in Gales mind.

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything chuck , players succeed and players fail

look at the mets , since 1977 , they have spent more than 95% of the other clubs and have 1 ring to show for it , the twins in that same time peroid have 2

what should have george and now hal done with the $$$$ , you have the most recognizable brand in sports , should they have just hoarded the $$$ over the years and not re-invested it in the brand , you and i both know if they didn't do that the brand wouldn't be as valuable today

companies take write offs all the time on failed projects , the yankees are no different

the landscape is the landscape chuck you can't fault the strong for wanting to get stronger

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[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

spending $$$$ doesn't guarantee anything chuck , players succeed and players fail

look at the mets , since 1977 , they have spent more than 95% of the other clubs and have 1 ring to show for it , the twins in that same time peroid have 2

what should have george and now hal done with the $$$$ , you have the most recognizable brand in sports , should they have just hoarded the $$$ over the years and not re-invested it in the brand , you and i both know if they didn't do that the brand wouldn't be as valuable today

companies take write offs all the time on failed projects , the yankees are no different

the landscape is the landscape chuck you can't fault the strong for wanting to get stronger

Again, having an huge financial advantage is not a detriment. The Yankees are not like "other businesses". They are part of a special club that has been granted anti-trust exemptions by the US Congress. What they do in reinvesting into the team is not the issue. The issue is the system and how they are allowed to exploit it. The fact that George's own ineptness kept them from winning those 20 years doesnt "prove" money isnt everything.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Again, having an huge financial advantage is not a detriment. The Yankees are not like "other businesses". They are part of a special club that has been granted anti-trust exemptions by the US Congress. What they do in reinvesting into the team is not the issue. The issue is the system and how they are allowed to exploit it. The fact that George's own ineptness kept them from winning those 20 years doesnt "prove" money isnt everything.

This sentence isn't logically sound. If the Yankees, who had all the money, couldn't overcome George's "ineptness", wouldn't that indeed prove that money is isn't "everything"...at least as it pertains to this discussion?

If money is everything, as it seems that you are contending, wouldn't they have won despite george's poor decisions?

[Crown@club]

Originally Posted by gales0678

scuds without Rivera - ie Homegrown talent we maybe win 1 title in the Torre era , his importance cannot be overstated

it's funny you mention Cone , pettite pitched game 5 and beat glavine in that game 1-0 , i guess he was a free agent pick up as well

i'm sure you remember jimmy key , he was a free agent as well who beat greg maddux who turned down yankee $$$ and took turner $$$ after leaving chicago - 1 pig beating another in game 6

do you think the braves win every year w/o maddux during the run in the 90's and 00's?

as for Righetti , he didn't get any rings at all , he was a rookie the same year as Fernando

Pettite , Jeter , Posoda , Rivera , Williams = all homegrown talent

that was the main core of the team and w/o Rivera , i honestly don't know how many we win

Maddux turn down 6 extra million to stay in the NL rather than joining the Yanks. By the way the Braves had already went to the WS twice before signing Maddux.