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Old 07-13-2010, 09:12 AM
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Oh I believe that he was real S.O.B. to work for. He also took a beating for some shady dealings in the late 80's.
But if you are a fan of the organization, how can you not love him? The most important thing in the world to him was winning and he would do anything possible for his team to reach it's goal.
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:15 AM
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Oh I believe that he was real S.O.B. to work for. He also took a beating for some shady dealings in the late 80's.
But if you are a fan of the organization, how can you not love him? The most important thing in the world to him was winning and he would do anything possible for his team to reach it's goal.
you think jack welch ,chuck lee , or any ceo of a major corporation was easy to work for ? no , to be a leader at the top you gotta be an sob and if you are not you don't make it
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:21 AM
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you think jack welch ,chuck lee , or any ceo of a major corporation was easy to work for ? no , to be a leader at the top you gotta be an sob and if you are not you don't make it
Come on Marty.............You know there is a difference between just being hard to work for and being a ****. As much as I respect everything the man has done for the Yanks, apparently he fell into that **** category.
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:28 AM
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Come on Marty.............You know there is a difference between just being hard to work for and being a ****. As much as I respect everything the man has done for the Yanks, apparently he fell into that **** category.
most guys like it or not matt that get to the top and our ceo's have no mercy , they don't let up on employees

these guys and now ladies are not there to be your friend , they are there to make sure that the job gets done

once the impression in the office that the boss is soft , it's over , people aren't on edge , they relax and that relaxation flows right down the organization

it's just the way it is matt , some people just call someone an a-hole because they are hard to work for i know i have and i have been wrong for it
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:29 AM
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All Star Day an ironic day for him to pass, no?
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:30 AM
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George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:39 AM
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George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.
plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me
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Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:06 AM
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Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.
steve he bought the team in 1973 , there were ups and downs along the way , please explain to me how the team and baseball as a whole is not better off today than if he never entered the game

did i like everything , of course not , but , i look at the total package and it helped not only the yankees but baseball as well

let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:21 AM
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Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.
how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform
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Old 07-13-2010, 10:30 AM
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Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.
Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.
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Here is a good list of inductees by year separated by BBWAA and Old-Timers/Veterans Committee inductees. Some of the Veterans Committe inductees (Hack Wilson, Heinie Manush, Goose Goslin, Branch Rickey, etc.) were probably worthwhile, but others (Jesse Haines, Roger Breshnahan, etc.), were most certainly not.

http://www.historicbaseball.com/hof/hallinductees.html
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Old 07-13-2010, 04:15 PM
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Player free agency should be your target here, not an owner willing spend a lot of money to improve his product.

Player movement has disrupted fan allegiance, not an owner like Steinbrenner.
Free agency is only a problem is baseball
Steinbrenner is a major reason why.
No one can say he didnt spend to try to make his teams better especially compared to those which still profit while letting the on field product suffer. But you can also say that his spending was a major reason why MLB never was able to rein in free agency and come up with a better system of player movement/salary cap.

I am not saying that I wouldn't have done the same thing in his shoes. But he is one of the core reasons why there is a competitive imbalance in baseball.
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Old 07-13-2010, 09:32 AM
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Oh I believe that he was real S.O.B. to work for. He also took a beating for some shady dealings in the late 80's.
But if you are a fan of the organization, how can you not love him? The most important thing in the world to him was winning and he would do anything possible for his team to reach it's goal.
Pig bought rings. Big accomplishment.
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Pig bought rings. Big accomplishment.

not all of them scuds , the mid 90's teams that were assembled were mostly homegrown talent
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not all of them scuds , the mid 90's teams that were assembled were mostly homegrown talent
Weren't you in desperate need of a win in game 3 of the '96 World Series? Who turned that around for ya? A homegrown pitcher? No, sir. Was Mr. Cone. YOU DID NOT GROW THAT.

December 21, 1995: Signed as a Free Agent with the New York Yankees.

Was a PIG'S NEW TOY that came up tough for you in game 3. So, cut the bull. Blue Jays couldn't afford to sign him. So, you got him in July '95, and bought the whore in December. Fact is all ya rings since '77 been bought by that dead pig.
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This is what you paid Cone in those so called homegrown '90's:


1995 $4,000,000
1996 $4,666,667
1997 $6,666,667
1998 $6,666,667
1999 $9,500,000
2000 $12,000,000

Well over 40 mil. Pig bought your rings for you. Period. All of 'em that were won during his ownership. Would of had 8 if Fernando hadn't found a way to beat Righetti in '81. See, that's a completely a homegrown pitcher throwing a complete game to stop your pig from getting what would have been his third ring from us in 5 years time. I'm fully aware of this pig's ways.

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This is what you paid Cone in those so called homegrown '90's:


1995 $4,000,000
1996 $4,666,667
1997 $6,666,667
1998 $6,666,667
1999 $9,500,000
2000 $12,000,000

Well over 40 mil. Pig bought your rings for you. Period. All of 'em that were won during his ownership. Would of had 8 if Fernando hadn't found a way to beat Righetti in '81. See, that's a completely a homegrown pitcher throwing a complete game to stop your pig from getting what would have been his third ring from us in 5 years time. I'm fully aware of this pig's ways.
scuds without Rivera - ie Homegrown talent we maybe win 1 title in the Torre era , his importance cannot be overstated

it's funny you mention Cone , pettite pitched game 5 and beat glavine in that game 1-0 , i guess he was a free agent pick up as well

i'm sure you remember jimmy key , he was a free agent as well who beat greg maddux who turned down yankee $$$ and took turner $$$ after leaving chicago - 1 pig beating another in game 6

do you think the braves win every year w/o maddux during the run in the 90's and 00's?

as for Righetti , he didn't get any rings at all , he was a rookie the same year as Fernando

Pettite , Jeter , Posoda , Rivera , Williams = all homegrown talent

that was the main core of the team and w/o Rivera , i honestly don't know how many we win
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scuds without Rivera - ie Homegrown talent we maybe win 1 title in the Torre era , his importance cannot be overstated

it's funny you mention Cone , pettite pitched game 5 and beat glavine in that game 1-0 , i guess he was a free agent pick up as well

i'm sure you remember jimmy key , he was a free agent as well who beat greg maddux who turned down yankee $$$ and took turner $$$ after leaving chicago - 1 pig beating another in game 6

do you think the braves win every year w/o maddux during the run in the 90's and 00's?

as for Righetti , he didn't get any rings at all , he was a rookie the same year as Fernando

Pettite , Jeter , Posoda , Rivera , Williams = all homegrown talent

that was the main core of the team and w/o Rivera , i honestly don't know how many we win
lets not forget the players acquired in trades:

Paul O'neill for Roberto Kelly (now that was a trade!)

Jeff Neilsen and Tino for kids (russ springer and sterling hitchcock?)
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