The Boss has passed.

[Cannon Shell]

George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

George was a borderline sociopath that made a lot of people rich (including himself) via many shrewd business moves and a few strokes of luck. Along the way he forever changed sports in a negative manner though a lot of those negatives probably would have come to pass regardless. While he certainly was obsessed with winning which was a positive for fans of his team, the insane manner in which he ruled the team probably prevented the Yankees from being even more successful during his tenure.

plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

[Kasept]

Originally Posted by gales0678

plesae expand mr simon , you have lost me

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

steve he bought the team in 1973 , there were ups and downs along the way , please explain to me how the team and baseball as a whole is not better off today than if he never entered the game

did i like everything , of course not , but , i look at the total package and it helped not only the yankees but baseball as well

let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about

Peace out as.shole

[SCUDSBROTHER]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Peace out as.shole

ezatly

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by gales0678

let's wait till bigs gets on here , he as well as anyone would probably know about all the millions that got into Tampa over the last 30 yrs that nobody ever hears about

I don't think I could do his generosity justice.

A partial list off the top of my head:

Upon reading about two firefighters and a police officer dying in the line of duty in the '80s, he formed The Gold Shield Foundation which provides a college education to the spouses and children of fallen officers and firefighters. The Foundation has been a great success and has even spread to the surrounding counties. Tragically, we just lost two police officers in Tampa and the 5 kids left behind will have their educations taken care of when they are ready for college.

A while back, the city of Tampa announced that they didn't have the money to buy badly needed new police cars. George stepped up and bought them. They were always easy to spot because they had Yankee logo stickers on them.

He used to rent the Big Sombrero for a night every year and hold a high school football jamboree so the kids could have an opportunity to play in an NFL stadium.

He would anonymously help people he saw on the local news if they had some sort of tragedy.

He donated the money to build a trauma center at All Childrens Hospital.

He built a branch of the Boys and Girls Clubs and continued to fund it with charity events.

One day, he walked into his favorite breakfast restaurant and announced that he was going to pay to take all the employees to New York for a weekend to see a Broadway play and Yankees game.

When a little league concession stand burned down, he immediately paid for a new one.

I can go on and on. These are only some of the things he did that were publicized, I'm sure there are many more that we will never know about.

[fpsoxfan]

As a Sox fan, I must say he was one of the best. Yankee fans everywhere should be thankful he was the BOSS! Owners today should be more like him.
RIP George!

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I don't think I could do his generosity justice.

A partial list off the top of my head:

Upon reading about two firefighters and a police officer dying in the line of duty in the '80s, he formed The Gold Shield Foundation which provides a college education to the spouses and children of fallen officers and firefighters. The Foundation has been a great success and has even spread to the surrounding counties. Tragically, we just lost two police officers in Tampa and the 5 kids left behind will have their educations taken care of when they are ready for college.

A while back, the city of Tampa announced that they didn't have the money to buy badly needed new police cars. George stepped up and bought them. They were always easy to spot because they had Yankee logo stickers on them.

He used to rent the Big Sombrero for a night every year and hold a high school football jamboree so the kids could have an opportunity to play in an NFL stadium.

He would anonymously help people he saw on the local news if they had some sort of tragedy.

He donated the money to build a trauma center at All Childrens Hospital.

He built a branch of the Boys and Girls Clubs and continued to fund it with charity events.

One day, he walked into his favorite breakfast restaurant and announced that he was going to pay to take all the employees to New York for a weekend to see a Broadway play and Yankees game.

When a little league concession stand burned down, he immediately paid for a new one.

I can go on and on. These are only some of the things he did that were publicized, I'm sure there are many more that we will never know about.

as i said in my inital post the good far outweighed the bad and those in the tampa area know best

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Bigsmc

I don't think I could do his generosity justice.

A partial list off the top of my head:

Upon reading about two firefighters and a police officer dying in the line of duty in the '80s, he formed The Gold Shield Foundation which provides a college education to the spouses and children of fallen officers and firefighters. The Foundation has been a great success and has even spread to the surrounding counties. Tragically, we just lost two police officers in Tampa and the 5 kids left behind will have their educations taken care of when they are ready for college.

A while back, the city of Tampa announced that they didn't have the money to buy badly needed new police cars. George stepped up and bought them. They were always easy to spot because they had Yankee logo stickers on them.

He used to rent the Big Sombrero for a night every year and hold a high school football jamboree so the kids could have an opportunity to play in an NFL stadium.

He would anonymously help people he saw on the local news if they had some sort of tragedy.

He donated the money to build a trauma center at All Childrens Hospital.

He built a branch of the Boys and Girls Clubs and continued to fund it with charity events.

One day, he walked into his favorite breakfast restaurant and announced that he was going to pay to take all the employees to New York for a weekend to see a Broadway play and Yankees game.

When a little league concession stand burned down, he immediately paid for a new one.

I can go on and on. These are only some of the things he did that were publicized, I'm sure there are many more that we will never know about.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

George's mismanagement of the team doesn't mean that the monster (big market/small market) he created wont ultimately drag the league further down. When he bought the team MLB was clearly the number 1 sport in the US. That is far from the truth now and one of the primary reasons is that with proper management in the NFL virtually every team can compete.

[dalakhani]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

George's mismanagement of the team doesn't mean that the monster (big market/small market) he created wont ultimately drag the league further down. When he bought the team MLB was clearly the number 1 sport in the US. That is far from the truth now and one of the primary reasons is that with proper management in the NFL virtually every team can compete.

I can buy a lot of your criticisms of George but this one doesn't fly. Baseball's fall from the perch of america's game has much more to do with the advent of sports tv than anything George ever did.

Sports such as baseball or horse racing for that matter simply aren't made for tv. Football and basketball with their pace and natural stoppages are more easily staged and better to keep interest. Tv is the answer there.

There are lots of answers to the decline of baseball but listing George as a primary reason is fallacious.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by dalakhani

I can buy a lot of your criticisms of George but this one doesn't fly. Baseball's fall from the perch of america's game has much more to do with the advent of sports tv than anything George ever did.

Sports such as baseball or horse racing for that matter simply aren't made for tv. Football and basketball with their pace and natural stoppages are more easily staged and better to keep interest. Tv is the answer there.

There are lots of answers to the decline of baseball but listing George as a primary reason is fallacious.

Baseball lost much of it's luster after the 2 strikes, both over free agency. The resulting big/small market issues that are now simply a given but this wasn't always so. You denying that competitive balance isn't a factor in the decline of baseball is silly. Your hypothesis makes no sense if we are talking about 1973 when sports were televised widely and no sport became more widely covered with the advent of cable tv then baseball. So in the 70's people suddenly decided that football was fun to watch and baseball wasn't? Professional basketball was virtually out of business in the 70's and made a comeback on the back of Magic johnson/Lassy Bird, not because it was easy to watch on tv.

[slotdirt]

Originally Posted by gales0678

how well does that work ? is it some of the time or all of the time?

during his tenure cinncinnati won 3 WS , the twins won twice , the royals won once , the marlins won twice , the diamondbacks won , the tigers won , the blue jays won twice

the braves won a world series and were in the playoffs more years in a row than the yankess

the mets , yes the mets , have won 1 WS since George took over and have spent more $$$ than all of the teams i listed about

just spending $$$ doesn't guarantee anything , the horses so to speak have to perform

You know that the Marlins two World Series wins are the definition of buying a championship, right?

Also, the Twins won twice, not once.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Kasept

Among other things, he established the precedence for meddlesome and capricious ownership as well as the 'buy' a championship mentality that has irreparably disrupted fan allegiance continuity.

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

again you make no mention of the other team in NY that outspent nearly every other team in baseball over the last 30 yrs and has 1 championship to show for it , spending $$$ doesn't guarnatee anything

you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's

take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by gales0678

again you make no mention of the other team in NY that outspent nearly every other team in baseball over the last 30 yrs and has 1 championship to show for it , spending $$$ doesn't guarnatee anything

you guys gotta be kidding with this small market stuff , during george's tenure , small market teams won in the 70's 80' s 90's and 00's

take the orioles for example , is it george's fault that the have fallen into the abyss ...... or is it the lack of commitment from baltimore's ownership to spending $$$ to get better

The Orioles are a great example of what i am talking about. They have actually spent more money than they should have based on revenues but havent won because they spent the money poorly.

The reason that the Yankees didn't win more championships was because of George. The late 90's teams were built during the era when George was banned. The latest yankee teams were built during a period when George was no longer calling the shots. This is not a coincidence.

[Cannon Shell]

The poor showings in the 1980s and 1990s would soon change. Steinbrenner hired Howard Spira to uncover damaging information on Winfield and was subsequently suspended from day-to-day team operations by Commissioner Fay Vincent when the plot was revealed. This turn of events allowed management to implement a coherent acquisition/development program without owner interference. General Manager Gene Michael, along with manager Buck Showalter, shifted the club's emphasis from high-priced acquisitions to developing talent through the farm system. This new philosophy developed key players such as outfielder Bernie Williams, shortstop Derek Jeter, catcher Jorge Posada, and pitchers Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera.

The only Championships that had Stienbrenners fingerprints on them were the first two which were for a large part part due to Free Agent signings like Reggie and Catfish Hunter, among the first big money free agent signings.

[gales0678]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Not to mention that he exploited the geographical advantage to the extreme wherein the balance of the sport was forever changed resulting in the big market/small market mess that baseball is in now.

Perhaps that is "good business" for him and the Yankees but it didn't result in an overall positive for the sport and as I said in a previous post, his own meddlesome behavior prevented things from being a whole lot worse.

What we want for sports is usually not exactly what would we want for society in general but socialism in leagues like the NFL and the NBA works a whole lot better for the sport and all the teams than it does in baseball. The mismanagement of the Yankees for most of the 80's and the early part of the 90's prevented them from dominating for much longer than they should have coming out of the 70's and lulled baseball into thinking that not sharing virtually all revenues would not result in the mess that it became.

chuck you can talk about all this domination in the late 90's and early part of this century that you want , but , if you take Rivera out of the equation and say put him on the red sox or the braves , the yankees don't have 4 rings in 5 years , it's really quite that simple how much that one player was worth for the yankees and when he goes in a few years let's see how much they win in the big spots in the playoffs when they have a lead going into the 8th inning

football is the #1 sport in america there is no question about that , 16 games vs 162 games has a lot to do with that part of the equation