Preakness

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

I think Firing Line is the best choice for the Preakness and Dortmund to the Belmont. But then again, owners aside I'd keep both of them out of each race if I was Baffert. That said, he won't since he's a horseman first and a businessman second.

Aside from the obvious, what would adding an extra quarter mile do for a horse that had the race is own way and folded up after a mile and a quarter?

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

Aside from the obvious, what would adding an extra quarter mile do for a horse that had the race is own way and folded up after a mile and a quarter?

Folded up is questionable and he got beat by two better horses that day. His first loss in 7 starts 2 more weeks of rest than the others. Then there's the chance and the money.

Asses him and if he's fit and kicking down the barn run'em. Baffert'll figure it out I'm sure and do the right thing. I've told Bob, after meeting him at Saratoga a few years back, to call me any time he needs advice.

Then again AP may be more likely to take the Belmont than the Preakness. He may have run a mile and half to win yesterday.

[pointman]

I think that the ground loss that AP had is being overblown. He was kept outside in the clear without having dirt kicked in his face, basically the same race that Espinoza rode with California Chrome last year and a very good trip.

That tactic can cause a very different result in the Belmont. We still have no proof that AP can take dirt in his face.

[casp0555]

Originally Posted by pointman

I think that the ground loss that AP had is being overblown. He was kept outside in the clear without having dirt kicked in his face, basically the same race that Espinoza rode with California Chrome last year and a very good trip.

That tactic can cause a very different result in the Belmont. We still have no proof that AP can take dirt in his face.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by pointman

I think that the ground loss that AP had is being overblown. He was kept outside in the clear without having dirt kicked in his face, basically the same race that Espinoza rode with California Chrome last year and a very good trip.

That tactic can cause a very different result in the Belmont. We still have no proof that AP can take dirt in his face.

Why does he have to prove that he can take dirt in his face? If he can win doing what he's doing and look the same at the end of a race as he did when he started . . . nothing wrong with that and win the way he does too . . . no flies on that milk. If it ain't broke, etc, etc. He didn't even look like he broke a sweat when he finished yesterday. I don't think we've seen his best yet. Sure he had to work a little to win but . . . you have to get nit picky to down play his performance.

Don't throw the time thingy at me either. You don't run horses to set track records, you run them to win. Who cares what his time was except all the number crunchers . . . he knows where the finish line is and what he has to do to get there before anyone else and he has a good pilot on him to help make that happen.

[Merlinsky]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Why does he have to prove that he can take dirt in his face?

Well Chrome proved he couldn't, at least not down on the inside. It definitely showed itself in the Belmont. Knowing that a horse does or doesn't like that can tell you not to put them in a certain place. Finding out whether or not AP resents it can make a difference in tactics. Right now, they're just gonna have to hope it's not a problem. Of course he's such a talented horse he might just put himself in a position that it doesn't matter. I see people commenting on a horse with frequent bad racing luck and they say if he/she ever gets a good trip watch out. The thing is really good horses make their own luck and horses that aren't as good as we think can get themselves into trouble but here we are blaming that for their finish. Maybe AP's making his own luck.

[mm1019]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Why does he have to prove that he can take dirt in his face? If he can win doing what he's doing and look the same at the end of a race as he did when he started . . . nothing wrong with that and win the way he does too . . . no flies on that milk. If it ain't broke, etc, etc. He didn't even look like he broke a sweat when he finished yesterday. I don't think we've seen his best yet. Sure he had to work a little to win but . . . you have to get nit picky to down play his performance.

Don't throw the time thingy at me either. You don't run horses to set track records, you run them to win. Who cares what his time was except all the number crunchers . . . he knows where the finish line is and what he has to do to get there before anyone else and he has a good pilot on him to help make that happen.

Didn't break a sweat what race did you watch because the race I watched Victor hit AP 27 TIMES DOWN THE LANE WHEN YOUR DONE REDBOARDING TRY TO CATCHING THE REPLAY...

[ElPrado]

31 times. And Gweeds is actually a pretty good guy. I've known him since I ran a chat room 15 years ago on another site. I will say he can get wound up.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by mm1019

Didn't break a sweat what race did you watch because the race I watched Victor hit AP 27 TIMES DOWN THE LANE WHEN YOUR DONE REDBOARDING TRY TO CATCHING THE REPLAY...

First off what does "try to catching the replay" mean . . . and so he hit him 27 - 31 times as EP put it . . . some horses need extra attention. AP never flitched his tail once during the finish line run, which most horses do if they don't like the whip or was he just being taped a little to keep his mind on business. And even with all those "hits" he still didn't break a sweat.

So your point is??? A

[SundayStar]

i saw a closeup of him after the race. he was glistening with sweat. looked like a bronzed god.

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

First off what does "try to catching the replay" mean . . . and so he hit him 27 - 31 times as EP put it . . . some horses need extra attention. AP never flitched his tail once during the finish line run, which most horses do if they don't like the whip or was he just being taped a little to keep his mind on business. And even with all those "hits" he still didn't break a sweat.

So your point is??? A

Hoo boy. It really is silly season around here.

[Alabama Stakes]

Originally Posted by pointman

I think that the ground loss that AP had is being overblown. He was kept outside in the clear without having dirt kicked in his face, basically the same race that Espinoza rode with California Chrome last year and a very good trip.

That tactic can cause a very different result in the Belmont. We still have no proof that AP can take dirt in his face.

he was on the best part of the track, at that point in the day.

[outofthebox]

Originally Posted by Alabama Stakes

he was on the best part of the track, at that point in the day.

Three out of the four winners were all inside trip winners. Only AP rallied wide and won. I thought CD had the track in great shape. The figure makers are saying the track slowed down a bit as the day rolled on, which is quite possible when you consider the amount of time between races.

[Rudeboyelvis]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Folded up is questionable and he got beat by two better horses that day. His first loss in 7 starts 2 more weeks of rest than the others. Then there's the chance and the money.

Asses him and if he's fit and kicking down the barn run'em. Baffert'll figure it out I'm sure and do the right thing. I've told Bob, after meeting him at Saratoga a few years back, to call me any time he needs advice.

Then again AP may be more likely to take the Belmont than the Preakness. He may have run a mile and half to win yesterday.

I didn't realize he had that going for him. Game Changer.

[RHT2004]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I didn't realize he had that going for him. Game Changer.

Lol

[pointman]

Originally Posted by DonGuido

Why does he have to prove that he can take dirt in his face? If he can win doing what he's doing and look the same at the end of a race as he did when he started . . . nothing wrong with that and win the way he does too . . . no flies on that milk. If it ain't broke, etc, etc. He didn't even look like he broke a sweat when he finished yesterday. I don't think we've seen his best yet. Sure he had to work a little to win but . . . you have to get nit picky to down play his performance.

Don't throw the time thingy at me either. You don't run horses to set track records, you run them to win. Who cares what his time was except all the number crunchers . . . he knows where the finish line is and what he has to do to get there before anyone else and he has a good pilot on him to help make that happen.

Someone here raised the ground loss as if it was a negative. I disagree, I think he got a very good trip in the clear where he was comfortable not having dirt in his face. Incidentally the same trip that California Chrome got last year and both times that trip won with the first two years in recent memory without stretchout sprinters due to the points system. There were certainly many more worse trips in the race than the one that AP got. To suggest he is better suited for the Belmont because "he may have run a mile and half to win yesterday" is absurd to me.

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I didn't realize he had that going for him. Game Changer.

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis

I didn't realize he had that going for him. Game Changer.

lol

Guido's on a roll. First the biggest red board post I've seen in years now this.

[Arletta]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

lol

Guido's on a roll. First the biggest red board post I've seen in years now this.

Curious...Did you win or lose yesterday?

[knickslions2]

Originally Posted by Arletta

Curious...Did you win or lose yesterday?

I had decent day overall. Made mistake leaving firing line out of exacta and tris. Thought he would be one to fade. I posted some picks in selection thread.

[DonGuido]

Originally Posted by knickslions2

I had decent day overall. Made mistake leaving firing line out of exacta and tris. Thought he would be one to fade. I posted some picks in selection thread.

Cool . . . I'll check your picks out next time . . . NOT!!?? I rarely bet the odds on favorite but when I do and win paying $7.80, I always drink Dos Equis . . . stay thirsty my friends!!!