25 trainers urge Lasix-ban; THA says issue debated, decided

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

You have a lot of highly skilled trainer at every track. As in any other walk of life success does not make you a good or a bad person, it just makes you successful at your trade, nothing more nothing less.

There are plenty of "highly skilled" trainers whose skills seem to come and go.

[asudevil]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are plenty of "highly skilled" trainers whose skills seem to come and go.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

There are plenty of "highly skilled" trainers whose skills seem to come and go.

The brilliant Jimmy Jerkins is on fire after a prolonged absence from the top, same with Matz etc. Cyclical sport like many others.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

The brilliant Jimmy Jerkins is on fire after a prolonged absence from the top, same with Matz etc. Cyclical sport like many others.

Matz is 15% on the year. He wins 15% almost every year.
Jerkens is averaging 3 wins a month.

Is this really "on fire"?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Matz is 15% on the year. He wins 15% almost every year.
Jerkens is averaging 3 wins a month.

Is this really "on fire"?

11 James A. Jerkens 26 9 1 2 $490,324 35% 12 46%

Belmont

SPA plus another winner today not included

8 James A. Jerkens 12 4 0 2

last 39 starters 14 win 1 second and 4 thirds thats A LOT better then the previous 52 weeks

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

11 James A. Jerkens 26 9 1 2 $490,324 35% 12 46%

Belmont

SPA plus another winner today not included

8 James A. Jerkens 12 4 0 2

last 39 starters 14 win 1 second and 4 thirds thats A LOT better then the previous 52 weeks

What exactly does this prove?
Todays winner was a Sky mesa NYB that was 3/5 Morning line in a 6 horse field
Yesterdays winner was More than Ready NYB 1st timer in a race where the ML fav was coming off of a 43 beyer.
VE day is a late blooming 3yo
Wicked Strong is a proven good horse.

A really good trainer winning with these types of horses that he has trained their entire careers rarely raises any suspicion for obvious reasons.

I'm not sure what your point is outside of pushing the Dutrow agenda. Yeah we get it, he is a good horseman, he didnt break a lot of horses down, etc, etc. Did he deserve the extreme penalty that he received? Probably not but lets not act like he was some saint.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

What exactly does this prove?
Todays winner was a Sky mesa NYB that was 3/5 Morning line in a 6 horse field
Yesterdays winner was More than Ready NYB 1st timer in a race where the ML fav was coming off of a 43 beyer.
VE day is a late blooming 3yo
Wicked Strong is a proven good horse.

A really good trainer winning with these types of horses that he has trained their entire careers rarely raises any suspicion for obvious reasons.

I'm not sure what your point is outside of pushing the Dutrow agenda. Yeah we get it, he is a good horseman, he didnt break a lot of horses down, etc, etc. Did he deserve the extreme penalty that he received? Probably not but lets not act like he was some saint.

Look nobody has to convince me that Jerkins is a WORLD CLASS trainer but if you are going to be objective you have to say the last 60 odd days has been very good.

You have people here that suggest that Nevin is cheating because her paramour is banned from the sport for 10 years and is the poster boy for cheats when we all know thats ridiculous. IF people are going to call a trainer with no violations a cheat just because she is romantically involved with a former trainer who is banned then they might as well scrutinize trainers like Matz and Jerkins who have had very indifferent 18 month stretch and now as you seem to think are spotting their stock in more advantage spots. It's amazing to me that if your last name is "XYZ" you are immuned for a raised eyebrow.

BTW have you seen a Jerkins lose second time out recently I think they are 9 or 10 for their last 12 or 13.. NOT BAD

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Look nobody has to convince me that Jerkins is a WORLD CLASS trainer but if you are going to be objective you have to say the last 60 odd days has been very good.

You have people here that suggest that Nevin is cheating because her paramour is banned from the sport for 10 years and is the poster boy for cheats when we all know thats ridiculous. IF people are going to call a trainer with no violations a cheat just because she is romantically involved with a former trainer who is banned then they might as well scrutinize trainers like Matz and Jerkins who have had very indifferent 18 month stretch and now as you seem to think are spotting their stock in more advantage spots. It's amazing to me that if your last name is "XYZ" you are immuned for a raised eyebrow.

BTW have you seen a Jerkins lose second time out recently I think they are 9 or 10 for their last 12 or 13.. NOT BAD

We all understand the concept of guilt by association. Is it fair? No but human nature is what it is and people in horseracing are far more cynical than the general public.

Using Jerkens or Matz is silly because they have different operations mostly training for breeders, training horses from the start and not claiming.

I said before it is funny how people determine who is a good guy and who is a bad guy based upon some unknown criteria.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Matz is 15% on the year. He wins 15% almost every year.
Jerkens is averaging 3 wins a month.

Is this really "on fire"?

Matz;s last 45 days have been very hot as well

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Matz;s last 45 days have been very hot as well

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