25 trainers urge Lasix-ban; THA says issue debated, decided

[pointman]

I am all for rooting cheaters out of the game, but I find it really comical how some trainers are considered absolute juicers and others 100% clean when there is no definitive evidence either way.

[ateamstupid]

I love the false equivalence marathon going on here. So because Linda Rice made a smart claim that she eventually turned into a G1 horse, that's the same as Dutrow and his "paramour" ROUTINELY moving horses way up in their FIRST STARTS off the claim. It takes a serious bias or willful ignorance to explain all that away as nothing more than good horsemanship.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

I love the false equivalence marathon going on here. So because Linda Rice made a smart claim that she eventually turned into a G1 horse, that's the same as Dutrow and his "paramour" ROUTINELY moving horses way up in their FIRST STARTS off the claim. It takes a serious bias or willful ignorance to explain all that away as nothing more than good horsemanship.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Danzig

So smart claims are exclusive to people who "we" deem to be highly skilled professionals, that the peanut gallery is of the opinion are "clean". So people like Michele Nevin aren't capable of making successful claims that the "clean" trainers are privy to because we assume they are cheating.. #Gotcha.. Now its crystal clear, depending on your name we judge skill vs. chemicals. Proof is not necessary just the pronunciation of your last name in determining judgement.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

So smart claims are exclusive to people who "we" deem to be highly skilled professionals, that the peanut gallery is of the opinion are "clean". So people like Michele Nevin aren't capable of making successful claims that the "clean" trainers are privy to because we assume they are cheating.. #Gotcha.. Now its crystal clear, depending on your name we judge skill vs. chemicals. Proof is not necessary just the pronunciation of your last name in determining judgement.

what?

until or unless someone is found to be dirty, i will have to think they're clean. consistently getting caught with violations-well, how would anyone trust they're clean?

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by Danzig

what?

until or unless someone is found to be dirty, i will have to think they're clean. consistently getting caught with violations-well, how would anyone trust they're clean?

Michele Nevin has violations?

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Michele Nevin has violations?

i have no idea, nor have i ever called her a juicer.
i can count on one hand the trainers i've mentioned on here that are many times over rule breakers. she's not one of them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am all for rooting cheaters out of the game, but I find it really comical how some trainers are considered absolute juicers and others 100% clean when there is no definitive evidence either way.

I am often puzzled by who is considered a "good guy" and who is considered a "bad guy".

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by pointman

I am all for rooting cheaters out of the game, but I find it really comical how some trainers are considered absolute juicers and others 100% clean when there is no definitive evidence either way.

it's true that those who haven't ever been caught may not have been caught 'yet'.
but when you've got trainers who have rap sheets a mile long...well, i think it's pretty clear that they're cheaters.
take patrick biancone-a year out of the game. did that harm the game? the owners who had to hire other trainers? i doubt it.