2013-2014 NBA Season

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Of course, but he has 7.

Yeah, he happened to catch more than a few coattails to ride. He was clutch, but hardly a great player.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, he happened to catch more than a few coattails to ride. He was clutch, but hardly a great player.

I think everyone would pretty much agree with this, except maybe Skip Bayless and his lot.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Yeah, he happened to catch more than a few coattails to ride. He was clutch, but hardly a great player.

But I never called him great. I said he was an OK defender, OK rebounder and super clutch.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

But I never called him great. I said he was an OK defender, OK rebounder and super clutch.

How does he compare to Ewing and Barkley...you know, the selfish scorers with no rings you brought up earlier?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

How does he compare to Ewing and Barkley...you know, the selfish scorers with no rings you brought up earlier?

I brought them up in comparision to Melo and I also said thats fine. Nothing wrong with being an all time great regular season guy.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I brought them up in comparision to Melo and I also said thats fine. Nothing wrong with being an all time great regular season guy.

How about Gary Payton? Did winning a ring with the Heat legitimize him as a great player? I just don't think you can categorize players as great, just because they won a championship. Gary Payton was great with or without a ring.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

How about Gary Payton? Did winning a ring with the Heat legitimize him as a great player? I just don't think you can categorize players as great, just because they won a championship. Gary Payton was great with or without a ring.

He was amazing and played great D. The glove. Speaking of GP. Here....

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ba...1742--nba.html

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Duvalier

How about Gary Payton? Did winning a ring with the Heat legitimize him as a great player? I just don't think you can categorize players as great, just because they won a championship. Gary Payton was great with or without a ring.

I remember the first time I saw him play. I was at U of AZ and Oregon State came into town and Payton was just great that night. This was 1987 I think and we had no internet and West Coast games were hardly ever on except when UCLA played someone. I saw this guy who was the best player on the floor playing against a team with 4 future NBA players that was going to the Final 4 that year and I hadnt ever even heard of him. AZ won because Oregon state wasnt that good but he just dominated Kerr and wound up guarding Elliot who was half a foot bigger than him.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I remember the first time I saw him play. I was at U of AZ and Oregon State came into town and Payton was just great that night. This was 1987 I think and we had no internet and West Coast games were hardly ever on except when UCLA played someone. I saw this guy who was the best player on the floor playing against a team with 4 future NBA players that was going to the Final 4 that year and I hadnt ever even heard of him. AZ won because Oregon state wasnt that good but he just dominated Kerr and wound up guarding Elliot who was half a foot bigger than him.

Was he as good a trash talker back then too? The only way you really got to hear of lesser known players back then was through a Sports Illustrated article or something, and usually most articles were centered on the top teams in the country.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I brought them up in comparision to Melo and I also said thats fine. Nothing wrong with being an all time great regular season guy.

Charles Barkley was a great player in the playoffs. He had some monstrous post seasons.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Charles Barkley was a great player in the playoffs. He had some monstrous post seasons.

I love Chuck. Loved him then love him now.