2013-2014 NBA Season

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Chris Paul is more of a leader, but he also has won nothing yet.
He's also not a team wrecker.

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

I agree. He is kinda like Melo in that sense that they are both anointed as superstars. Both have had chances to win, neither have. Why when its Lebron and he was winning 60 games in Clevland and getting blasted by much better Spurs teams he was coming up small and could not win??? He still brought that horrible collection of talent to the finals. **** his Robin was Larry Hughes. Melo and Paul have never even made a finals.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I agree. He is kinda like Melo in that sense that they are both anointed as superstars. Both have had chances to win, neither have. Why when its Lebron and he was winning 60 games in Clevland and getting blasted by much better Spurs teams he was coming up small and could not win??? He still brought that horrible collection of talent to the finals. **** his Robin was Larry Hughes. Melo and Paul have never even made a finals.

Is LeBron the new standard that everyone must measure up to not the exception? To be fair the year that LeBron's team made the finals in Cleveland the East was very weak. Plus how can you singlehandedly take a team to the Finals and still "come up small"?

Melo has ALWAYS WON! He has never played on a team with a losing record ever! Winning the championship is an idiotic way of measuring individual players. Please show me a single team that Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul was on that had a prayer of winning the title?

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Is LeBron the new standard that everyone must measure up to not the exception? To be fair the year that LeBron's team made the finals in Cleveland the East was very weak. Plus how can you singlehandedly take a team to the Finals and still "come up small"?

Melo has ALWAYS WON! He has never played on a team with a losing record ever! Winning the championship is an idiotic way of measuring individual players. Please show me a single team that Carmelo Anthony or Chris Paul was on that had a prayer of winning the title?

Fine. Melo is a champion and the best regular season player ever.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Fine. Melo is a champion and the best regular season player ever.

No one is saying that but he clearly is a great player.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Fine. Melo is a champion and the best regular season player ever.

62 and 13

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

62 and 13

Like I said. Best regular season player ever. Look best best best case for him is this....
Lakers tank. Get a 1-4 pick. They sign Melo and Kobe is fully healthy. Then they get something legit for Gasol. That team would at least be competitive. Melo is a gunner, he proved it on 35 shots tonight. He might put up 50 sometime again soon. Who else is going to shoot for them Chuck? The Stallion is out, Amare is out. Who is supposed to shoot?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Like I said. Best regular season player ever. Look best best best case for him is this....
Lakers tank. Get a 1-4 pick. They sign Melo and Kobe is fully healthy. Then they get something legit for Gasol. That team would at least be competitive. Melo is a gunner, he proved it on 35 shots tonight. He might put up 50 sometime again soon. Who else is going to shoot for them Chuck? The Stallion is out, Amare is out. Who is supposed to shoot?

Hold on you say he is a gunner then you say who else is supposed to shoot because all these other guys are out? Which is it?

He isnt going to the Lakers. That is a pipe dream. Kobe is never going to be Kobe again. Gasol is a free agent so they probably wont be getting anything for him and will probably resign him.

[Duvalier]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

62 and 13

And 0

[knickslions2]

23-35 fg
10-10 free throws
13 rebounds
0 turnovers

62 points plus didn't play last 7 minutes of the game


Awesome.

[Conrad]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is a coach wrecker...team wrecker to be determined.

While he is obviously very good, I also think he is somewhat overrated.

Chris Paul

I suggested this to a big CP fan friend of mine and was basically yelled at.
He's fantastic and all that, but is he the one to lead a team to the title?
I am beginning to seriously doubt it.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Conrad

Chris Paul

I suggested this to a big CP fan friend of mine and was basically yelled at.
He's fantastic and all that, but is he the one to lead a team to the title?
I am beginning to seriously doubt it.

Based on what exactly? New Orleans and the Clippers rich tradition of winning and his failure to singlehandedly catapult them into model organzations like San Antonio and Miami?

You think if we subbed him for Tony Parker that SA doesnt win a few of those titles?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Based on what exactly? New Orleans and the Clippers rich tradition of winning and his failure to singlehandedly catapult them into model organzations like San Antonio and Miami?

You think if we subbed him for Tony Parker that SA doesnt win a few of those titles?

I'm obviously biased, but every time OKC meets the Clippers, Westbrook usually outplays Paul, or at the least matches him. So it gets old listening to how great Chris Paul is to be honest. Paul is obviously one of the top players in the league, I just don't think he is one of the 3 or 4 best like a lot of people claim.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm obviously biased, but every time OKC meets the Clippers, Westbrook usually outplays Paul, or at the least matches him. So it gets old listening to how great Chris Paul is to be honest. Paul is obviously one of the top players in the league, I just don't think he is one of the 3 or 4 best like a lot of people claim.

I prefer Westbrook and Curry all day over Paul. I like those athletic combo guys.
Russell has to get himself healthy. He is a guy I hated, but am now sold on. He is a super player.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I prefer Westbrook and Curry all day over Paul. I like those athletic combo guys.
Russell has to get himself healthy. He is a guy I hated, but am now sold on. He is a super player.

Paul is a more complete player. Curry is a huge negative 1/2 the game. Westbrook takes far too many bad shots.

There isnt GM or coach in the league that isnt taking Paul at PG if they need to win one game. The advanced stats on Paul are crazy good. His PER's dwarf those two guys. In roughly the same amount of games Curry has 157 turnovers and Paul has 85. Thats a lot especially for the guy running the show

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

I'm obviously biased, but every time OKC meets the Clippers, Westbrook usually outplays Paul, or at the least matches him. So it gets old listening to how great Chris Paul is to be honest. Paul is obviously one of the top players in the league, I just don't think he is one of the 3 or 4 best like a lot of people claim.

He is clearly the best two way PG in the league. I like Westbrook a lot but he isnt in Paul's league as a playmaker but who in the NBA really is considering Nash is finished? Really Westbrook, Rose, Lillard, Wall arent true PG's but more of combo guards.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is clearly the best two way PG in the league. I like Westbrook a lot but he isnt in Paul's league as a playmaker but who in the NBA really is considering Nash is finished? Really Westbrook, Rose, Lillard, Wall arent true PG's but more of combo guards.

I dont think Paul is clearly the best anything. How is he clearly better then Westbrook or Curry? I could fire some stats out, but you already know them.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I dont think Paul is clearly the best anything. How is he clearly better then Westbrook or Curry? I could fire some stats out, but you already know them.

A PG that has a lot more assists and lot less turnovers doesnt need much more.

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

He is clearly the best two way PG in the league. I like Westbrook a lot but he isnt in Paul's league as a playmaker but who in the NBA really is considering Nash is finished? Really Westbrook, Rose, Lillard, Wall arent true PG's but more of combo guards.

He is better on D than Westbrook? The position has evolved. Paul is more traditional, doesn't make him better.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

He is better on D than Westbrook? The position has evolved. Paul is more traditional, doesn't make him better.

Chris Paul is the best PG on the Earth. This is an eminently defensible position by virtually any manner.

I think Westbrook is great. Love his intensity. However he simply isn't as good a player as Chris Paul is. But Westbrook can have questionable clock management, he takes bad shots, he gambles on defense and often can be caught out of position and he commits a lot of unforced turnovers. Paul rarely has any of these issues. His only real weakness is his 3 point shooting can be streaky both ways.

The position can evolve or change or whatever but the guy handling the ball the most who has way more assists and way less turnovers is the better player.