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Old 05-19-2013, 07:09 AM
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Great job Doug.. When the 1:13.1 went up, I thought to myself 'they're never going to get to him now'.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:11 AM
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Great job Doug.. When the 1:13.1 went up, I thought to myself 'they're never going to get to him now'.
we were listening on the radio while heading for dinner...first and second fractions called out, i just said 'that's that'. good job by stevens and oxbow. disappointed, but not surprised.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:32 AM
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The Dixie and Preakness are great examples of how much more fun racing would be if riders were as competitive as they were in eras that are clearly gone.

Stevens is back with a refreshing, "old school" approach that will enable him to capitalize when the early lead in a route race is uncontested. He has wired four Grade I or Grade II stakes races since February using these tactics.

The fact that Goldencents was rated off a pace like that of the Preakness is absolute lunacy. I'm not saying this as sour grapes for Orb or any other horse losing, it just speaks to the stupidity that occurs when jockeys do not ride competitive races. It's no longer just a problem in racing at all levels, it's an epidemic.

I'm thrilled for Gary Stevens and D. Wayne Lukas. DrugS, as always, did a phenomenal job highlighting reasons why Oxbow was a good bet in this race. Congrats to those who cashed.
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Old 05-19-2013, 09:54 AM
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Some brilliant work here guys. Without the Oxbow pace analysis after the Derby, I would likely have missed Oxbow and been sitting there with the 2-3-4 horses cold and nothing to show for it. Thanks for the insight and education.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:17 AM
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The Dixie and Preakness are great examples of how much more fun racing would be if riders were as competitive as they were in eras that are clearly gone.

Stevens is back with a refreshing, "old school" approach that will enable him to capitalize when the early lead in a route race is uncontested. He has wired four Grade I or Grade II stakes races since February using these tactics.

The fact that Goldencents was rated off a pace like that of the Preakness is absolute lunacy. I'm not saying this as sour grapes for Orb or any other horse losing, it just speaks to the stupidity that occurs when jockeys do not ride competitive races. It's no longer just a problem in racing at all levels, it's an epidemic.

I'm thrilled for Gary Stevens and D. Wayne Lukas. DrugS, as always, did a phenomenal job highlighting reasons why Oxbow was a good bet in this race. Congrats to those who cashed.
It speaks to the quality of the American jockey colony that the Derby can have such a supersonic pace that fries anything close to it and two weeks later a horse can totally walk on the lead to win the Preakness. Obviously the difference in field size is a factor, but 90% of them have no idea what they're doing from a pace standpoint.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:24 AM
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Calzone...please free up some space on your message box.
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Some rough math this AM indicates that Orb was more like 9-5 (probably one or two clicks lower) in the exotics, but definitely not 3-5 like he was in the win pool.

As for the jockeys... this is a serious problem in American racing. It's getting worse by the minute. At LAD where, granted, we don't have a bunch of future Hall of Famers, we had a rider yank a horse off the pace that was ultimately posted over 25 seconds for the quarter despite a good rail/speed bias.

Gary Stevens saw an opportunity yesterday and that was it. There's a reason why he won so many races, and he's still winning them now upon his return.
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:27 PM
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Some rough math this AM indicates that Orb was more like 9-5 (probably one or two clicks lower) in the exotics, but definitely not 3-5 like he was in the win pool.
Do you (or does anyone else) have the exacta will-pays with Orb in first position?

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Old 05-19-2013, 03:25 PM
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As for the jockeys... this is a serious problem in American racing. It's getting worse by the minute. At LAD where, granted, we don't have a bunch of future Hall of Famers, we had a rider yank a horse off the pace that was ultimately posted over 25 seconds for the quarter despite a good rail/speed bias.
Well said. It seems like most ride races like they are on synthetic surfaces, whether they are or not.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:03 AM
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Amazing its been since 1982 that a horse has went wire to wire in the Preakness!
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:15 AM
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Amazing its been since 1982 that a horse has went wire to wire in the Preakness!
Louis Quatorze wired in 1996.
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Old 05-19-2013, 11:23 AM
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Louis Quatorze wired in 1996.
You are correct. I guess I should stop listening to what NBC says on their shows.
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