Oxbow

cmorioles · #1 05-18-2013, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pweizer

I even bet one of the three. But, I am not sure I get the point.

Again, Lukas deserves lots of credit for what he has done with this horse. But, if anyone has been playing his horses for the last decade and a half based on his 13 Triple Crown wins, they would be broke by now.

Paul

So what exactly is "the Lukas factor"? He has run a lot of horses that obviously weren't worth betting, but I never dismissed them just because of Lukas.

dalakhani · #2 05-18-2013, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by cmorioles

So what exactly is "the Lukas factor"? He has run a lot of horses that obviously weren't worth betting, but I never dismissed them just because of Lukas.

Not trying to butt in, but i dismiss Lukas horses because he runs a lot of horses that obviously aren't worth betting.

Just Sayin...

Dunbar · #3 05-18-2013, 09:26 PM

Excellent posting, CL. And your bringing up your Derby un-call on Orb was pretty darn humble and classy, too.

--Dunbar

Belinda Cubbage · #4 05-18-2013, 09:49 PM

My hubby played two hundred dollars to win on Oxbow and had a five dollar trifecta! Woohoooo!! We dined like royalty tonight thanks to to Coach Darryl Wayne Lukas!!

What a day!!!!

Never ever count out the old veterans of the racing wars, Lukas will be winning important races until the day he calls it quits.

OldDog · #5 05-18-2013, 10:23 PM

Well done!

lb1064 · #6 05-18-2013, 11:01 PM

Was anyone expecting the tri payout to be larger? Not that $1030 is great, but just thought it would be bigger, especially with oxbow being second highest odds. I can only assume lots of people had him in their tri box.

Travis Stone · #7 05-18-2013, 11:02 PM

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Originally Posted by lb1064

Was anyone expecting the tri payout to be larger? Not that $1030 is great, but just thought it would be bigger, especially with oxbow being second highest odds. I can only assume lots of people had him in their tri box.

I did. 9 horse field didn't help, plus I don't think Orb was getting bet hard in the win pool. I could look up the pool data to see for sure, will do that tomorrow.

Kasept · #8 05-19-2013, 06:09 AM

Great job Doug.. When the 1:13.1 went up, I thought to myself 'they're never going to get to him now'.

Danzig · #9 05-19-2013, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kasept

Great job Doug.. When the 1:13.1 went up, I thought to myself 'they're never going to get to him now'.

we were listening on the radio while heading for dinner...first and second fractions called out, i just said 'that's that'. good job by stevens and oxbow. disappointed, but not surprised.

NTamm1215 · #10 05-19-2013, 08:32 AM

The Dixie and Preakness are great examples of how much more fun racing would be if riders were as competitive as they were in eras that are clearly gone.

Stevens is back with a refreshing, "old school" approach that will enable him to capitalize when the early lead in a route race is uncontested. He has wired four Grade I or Grade II stakes races since February using these tactics.

The fact that Goldencents was rated off a pace like that of the Preakness is absolute lunacy. I'm not saying this as sour grapes for Orb or any other horse losing, it just speaks to the stupidity that occurs when jockeys do not ride competitive races. It's no longer just a problem in racing at all levels, it's an epidemic.

I'm thrilled for Gary Stevens and D. Wayne Lukas. DrugS, as always, did a phenomenal job highlighting reasons why Oxbow was a good bet in this race. Congrats to those who cashed.

Thunder Gulch · #11 05-19-2013, 08:54 AM

Some brilliant work here guys. Without the Oxbow pace analysis after the Derby, I would likely have missed Oxbow and been sitting there with the 2-3-4 horses cold and nothing to show for it. Thanks for the insight and education.

ateamstupid · #12 05-19-2013, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

The Dixie and Preakness are great examples of how much more fun racing would be if riders were as competitive as they were in eras that are clearly gone.

Stevens is back with a refreshing, "old school" approach that will enable him to capitalize when the early lead in a route race is uncontested. He has wired four Grade I or Grade II stakes races since February using these tactics.

The fact that Goldencents was rated off a pace like that of the Preakness is absolute lunacy. I'm not saying this as sour grapes for Orb or any other horse losing, it just speaks to the stupidity that occurs when jockeys do not ride competitive races. It's no longer just a problem in racing at all levels, it's an epidemic.

I'm thrilled for Gary Stevens and D. Wayne Lukas. DrugS, as always, did a phenomenal job highlighting reasons why Oxbow was a good bet in this race. Congrats to those who cashed.

It speaks to the quality of the American jockey colony that the Derby can have such a supersonic pace that fries anything close to it and two weeks later a horse can totally walk on the lead to win the Preakness. Obviously the difference in field size is a factor, but 90% of them have no idea what they're doing from a pace standpoint.

Aly-Sheba · #13 05-19-2013, 10:03 AM

Amazing its been since 1982 that a horse has went wire to wire in the Preakness!

NTamm1215 · #14 05-19-2013, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Aly-Sheba

Amazing its been since 1982 that a horse has went wire to wire in the Preakness!

Louis Quatorze wired in 1996.

Aly-Sheba · #15 05-19-2013, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by NTamm1215

Louis Quatorze wired in 1996.

You are correct. I guess I should stop listening to what NBC says on their shows.