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View Poll Results: Should there be gun law changes made in response to the Connecticut shooting? | |||
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19 | 73.08% |
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7 | 26.92% |
Undecided |
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0 | 0% |
Voters: 26. You may not vote on this poll |
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![]() i find it odd that a poll is posted, but the poster doesn't vote...
there should be an immediate ban on all private sales. all sales MUST involve a thorough background check. all physicians who have a patient that they feel is a danger to society MUST immediately report them. all felons, all that have restraining orders and the like against them, should be kept in databases. those databases must be accessible by registered dealers. also, if someone bought a gun, and then subsequently is arrested and convicted, or has a restraining order placed on them, they should be flagged for confiscation of firearms. married to a felon, no guns. parent of a felon that lives with you, lose your guns. child of a felon that lives with you, no guns. if you own guns and wish to sell them, they must be consigned thru a licensed broker. wish to hand them down thru a will, the inheritor must be cleared for ownership. anyone who attempts to illegally purchase a firearm that is flagged should be arrested for attempting to illegally purchase a firearm. they know if they have a felony on their record that they can't own them. gun shows-no background checks, no sales. auctions that have guns-no check, no sale. none of the above changes the ability of a law-abiding citizen from owning a gun, or several guns.
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i think that many of these incidents point to a major flaw in people-we choose poorly who to hang out with, what to let pass without comment, too quick to excuse irrational behavior, etc. people spend years with abusers, or people in denial, or people who don't want to deal with a tough situation so they ignore it. but it doesn't go away, or get better. who here knows someone, whether family or friend, or aquaintance, who might need some intervention? probably most of us. but does anyone do anything? lady works for me part time. her son needs help. i've mentioned more than once about the 17 yr old who is in jail, how he'd been known to be 'out of it' for years. but no one did anything, and now another boy is dead. i was hoping she'd get my point, that she would intervene with her son. in one ear, out the other. she's in denial, just like a lot of people.
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![]() I'm the first to admit I don't know much about firearms; never had a particular interest in them, and no real desire to own one. So, since a lot of you are gun owners, I'll ask you-
Do you think a limit on number of guns someone who is not commercially involved in firearm sales may own is a good idea, and if so, what would that number be? I understand there is a lot of argument over what constitutes an "assault" weapon. As a non-gun person, my question is over the necessity of a private citizen owning something that fires a large number of rounds in a short amount of time, as it seems to me the purpose of such a weapon is to hit a large number of targets in a short amount of time, which doesn't seem to me, to be useful either in self-defense or in recreational shooting (where, I assume, developing the skill required to shoot accurately is part of the appeal). Basically, other than as a item to brag about or to have swiped by someone planning to carry out a large-scale assault on a movie theater or school or whatever, can someone explain to me under what circumstances a private citizen would actually have use for a high capacity, rapid discharge firearm? Again, sincerely asking. And for the record, "To defend oneself against the guvmint" is not an acceptable answer, as the guvmint, should it decide to come against a private citizen, will be able to do it. To my knowledge, we've only had one citizens' uprising on a scale that had any chance of success and it ended in 1865 with the government winning.
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Showing once again, if you want to overthrow a government, talk to the French.
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![]() There are 250 million plus guns out there.
How many, white, from middle class and above families, males, between 12-27, who are loners and whose classmates consider them strange are there in the U.S.? Kind of like focusing on animals with teeth following a bear attack. IMO Guns don't need to be controlled, lunatics do. |
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![]() You could be right. I think the French practically invented revolution. Can't think of the French thinkers though that expounded on the right of the people to over throw an unjust government. Will have to look that up.
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Assault weapons should either be banned or their capacity to fire multiple rounds should be modified and high capacity clips should be banned. Just my opinion. Connecticut shooter could have killed a lot more kids. He had the right guns to do it. Maybe if those guns had less capacity for firing, more kids would have been saved. |
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I think if 'abortions' were substituted for 'guns', the light bulb would appear in many heads. |
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As for type...that is probably a slightly easier question. There is already a line between arms a citizen can own and what the military has. I doubt i could ever own a fully functionable rocket launcher for instance. We do need to have a serious dialogue. And i mean serious. But people do need to understand that we cannot prevent every tragedy. Nor can we tell a lot of law abiding gun owners that they must give up their weapons.
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I'm not a lawyer and didnt stay in a Holiday Inn express last night but I think a few of your suggestions like the Doctors and databases open to gun dealers may be illegal. Who would Doctors report the dangerous patients to? How would you be able to determine what is crazy and what is dengerous crazy? The felon restrictions are nice for the media and for politicians looking to make points but felons are probably the group most able to acquire firearms by non-legal means. The number of people who attempt to illegally acquire guns through legal means has to be a small number right? I get where you are going with this but there are millions of guns out there already and like illicit drugs it just isnt that hard to get your hands on them if you have the desire and cash. |
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As for illegal purchase, thats why i said ban all private sales.
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![]() So banning private sales will stop criminals from acquiring guns? Punks in Chicago have killed more people than the Taliban this year. I don't think they are going to gun shows. More gun control equals more crime. It hasn't been mentioned much in the media because it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative being belched out, but the guy that shot up the mall in Oregon didn't stop until he was confronted by an armed citizen.
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I have no problem with guns personally, i own many. I may get a concealed carry permit. But these laws arent for people like me. Theyre for people who find a gun for sale in the paper, so they buy it. Maybe they have a record, so they know they wont be able to buy one in a store. So they buy where they know they dont have to fill out paperwork. Not all felons in possession stole a gun, or bought one 'on the street'.they can just answer an ad. Banning private sales imo is common sense. Its an amazingly easy way for anyone to buy and circumvent regulations.
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Something tells me when the second amendment was passed, they didn't think society would erode to the point of people shooting up malls and schools. Time for us as a society to understand we suck and make the necessary changes and I don't see how the rational answer could be to arm more people. |
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Think of many people you know. Do you think the good guys, if armed, would hurt anybody? Even the guys you might know who get into barfights, would they suddenly start whacking people, knowing full well that they will be locked up or executed? More guns would not inspire non-criminals to undertake criminal acts. But, in the hands of would-be victims, it would inhibit the plans of those who have already decided to undertake a criminal act. Predator and would-be prey would then be on more equal terms. |
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![]() http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/201...provide_a.html
joey, i suggest you read the above. maybe it will give you some perspective on where some of us are coming from, and will show that certain laws have done what they were intended to do.
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