Connecticut massacre fallout

[SOREHOOF]

So banning private sales will stop criminals from acquiring guns? Punks in Chicago have killed more people than the Taliban this year. I don't think they are going to gun shows. More gun control equals more crime. It hasn't been mentioned much in the media because it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative being belched out, but the guy that shot up the mall in Oregon didn't stop until he was confronted by an armed citizen.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

So banning private sales will stop criminals from acquiring guns? Punks in Chicago have killed more people than the Taliban this year. I don't think they are going to gun shows. More gun control equals more crime. It hasn't been mentioned much in the media because it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative being belched out, but the guy that shot up the mall in Oregon didn't stop until he was confronted by an armed citizen.

If a crook buys a gun on the street, isnt that a private sale? Yew, it is. Can you prevent all illegal sales? No. But right now, anyone can sell a gun to anyone. No check done, no records, nothing.
I have no problem with guns personally, i own many. I may get a concealed carry permit. But these laws arent for people like me. Theyre for people who find a gun for sale in the paper, so they buy it. Maybe they have a record, so they know they wont be able to buy one in a store. So they buy where they know they dont have to fill out paperwork. Not all felons in possession stole a gun, or bought one 'on the street'.they can just answer an ad. Banning private sales imo is common sense. Its an amazingly easy way for anyone to buy and circumvent regulations.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by SOREHOOF

So banning private sales will stop criminals from acquiring guns? Punks in Chicago have killed more people than the Taliban this year. I don't think they are going to gun shows. More gun control equals more crime. It hasn't been mentioned much in the media because it doesn't fit the anti-gun narrative being belched out, but the guy that shot up the mall in Oregon didn't stop until he was confronted by an armed citizen.

So more guns are the answer? Just arm everyone?

Something tells me when the second amendment was passed, they didn't think society would erode to the point of people shooting up malls and schools. Time for us as a society to understand we suck and make the necessary changes and I don't see how the rational answer could be to arm more people.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

So more guns are the answer? Just arm everyone?

Something tells me when the second amendment was passed, they didn't think society would erode to the point of people shooting up malls and schools. Time for us as a society to understand we suck and make the necessary changes and I don't see how the rational answer could be to arm more people.

Less guns are not the answer. More guns? Everything has a practical maximum, after which you get diminishing returns for a good effect, or a negative effect emerges. Medicine for a condition is great until you overdose and it becomes a toxin.

Think of many people you know. Do you think the good guys, if armed, would hurt anybody? Even the guys you might know who get into barfights, would they suddenly start whacking people, knowing full well that they will be locked up or executed? More guns would not inspire non-criminals to undertake criminal acts. But, in the hands of would-be victims, it would inhibit the plans of those who have already decided to undertake a criminal act. Predator and would-be prey would then be on more equal terms.

[Danzig]

http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/201...provide_a.html


joey, i suggest you read the above. maybe it will give you some perspective on where some of us are coming from, and will show that certain laws have done what they were intended to do.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

Less guns are not the answer. More guns? Everything has a practical maximum, after which you get diminishing returns for a good effect, or a negative effect emerges. Medicine for a condition is great until you overdose and it becomes a toxin.

Think of many people you know. Do you think the good guys, if armed, would hurt anybody? Even the guys you might know who get into barfights, would they suddenly start whacking people, knowing full well that they will be locked up or executed? More guns would not inspire non-criminals to undertake criminal acts. But, in the hands of would-be victims, it would inhibit the plans of those who have already decided to undertake a criminal act. Predator and would-be prey would then be on more equal terms.

More guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have guns would absolutely increase death and injuries by guns. Of that I have no doubt.

[joeydb]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

More guns in the hands of people who shouldn't have guns would absolutely increase death and injuries by guns. Of that I have no doubt.

A lot of statistics tend to say otherwise about gun control laws.

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less...uns+less+crime

Ironically, we all pretty much agree with you about "those who shouldn't have guns." It's just that punishing everyone else for fear of a few, who, if criminals, will get them anyway, is not something gun owners are interested in contending with.

Track the nutty people better and make sure THEY never get a gun.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by joeydb

A lot of statistics tend to say otherwise about gun control laws.

http://www.amazon.com/More-Guns-Less...uns+less+crime

Ironically, we all pretty much agree with you about "those who shouldn't have guns." It's just that punishing everyone else for fear of a few, who, if criminals, will get them anyway, is not something gun owners are interested in contending with.

Track the nutty people better and make sure THEY never get a gun.

Why did you ignore Danzig's post about Australia?

If you read what people are saying, instead of NEEDING to post your conservative talking points you would realize I am not advocating taking all guns away from people.

I'm for stricter regulations on who can purchase a gun. A lot stricter. And a ban on weapons that average people have no business owning. There are enough things out there that dudes with small pricks can buy to help ease their pain. Weapons don't need to be one of them.

[bigrun]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

Why did you ignore Danzig's post about Australia?

If you read what people are saying, instead of NEEDING to post your conservative talking points you would realize I am not advocating taking all guns away from people.

I'm for stricter regulations on who can purchase a gun. A lot stricter. And a ban on weapons that average people have no business owning. There are enough things out there that dudes with small pricks can buy to help ease their pain. Weapons don't need to be one of them.

Right, no reason for average person to own assault weapons..military and police only..If average Joe needs a handgun for home protection, fine...Keep it away from the kids..