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Old 10-25-2012, 02:05 PM
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sure do. and have a good reason why-well, several.

the current health care system sucks. insurers are for-profit entities. so, altho they provide a necessary service, they also must watch the bottom line scrupulously. this is what causes people to be dropped, or coverages to be denied, etc.
so, what did obamacare do? well, it forces one hell of a lot more people to buy it. they had to have a way to force people (mostly the young and healthy) to buy something, in order to help pay the way for those old and unhealthy, and those with the conditions that health insurers will now have to pay for.
why would single payer be better? it immediately takes away any need whatsoever to turn a profit. there would be no shareholders to keep happy. no stocks, etc. i'd imagine that the tax imposed to pay for this wouldn't cost more than what those of us currently paying premiums are already paying. however, the huge monstrosity known of ppaca will end up costing a hell of a lot more than what's been budgeted-quick, those who support ppaca, name one program that has come in at or under projected cost in the federal govt EVER?

you say single payer is socialized-medicine has actually been socialized for decades. those with insurance have always had far higher medical bills than what services really cost, so as to cover the written off bills that indigents can't pay.



and yes, hsa's have dropped. you also have more limits on what you can spend that money on, much otc meds are no longer allowed. i'd imagine the fed was losing too much tax dollars to keep that amount, and those items included.
So how much innovation in medicine do you now expect when there is less profit to be made? Profit is not a dirty word - it is essential for growth and progress in ALL businesses.

And, what business is a monopoly or has mandated compliance that continues to get better? Nothing. It's time to grow up and realize that people do things to make profit, and the more profit they can make, the more they will improve their products and services in pursuit of even more profit. That is the way it will always be. Supply and demand are the physics of the economic realm - as real and consistent as gravity or electromagnetism.

Without profit, there will be less doctors and less medical facilities. And the best and brightest will no longer choose the increased education requirements of medicine. So you'll have less doctors, longer lines, and higher mortality due to both the decrease of the quality in medical care and the conveniently unmeasured metric of those "dying on line".

No thanks. With Romney's election, the promised 50 state exemption from ObamaCare and the subsequent repeal, we will be rid of this nightmare, and then pass some reforms that actually make sense. I suspect that the ban on pre-existing conditions for insurability will still be in force, as well as allowing people to shop for insurance in other states (thus smashing the fiefdoms where people are getting screwed).
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