NY Task Force on Racehorse Health & Safety Report, Reccos

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

No actually you seemed to infer that I was wrong for using it without knowing for sure if it would be beneficial.

Personally I wouldn't do that, particularly for three or four months. Your owners told you it was OK I assume. They paid for it, not me. As an owner, I'd be pissed to find out I paid for the every day administration of a drug that does what the report purports long term. I'd be a bad owner though. I would ask too many questions.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Personally I wouldn't do that, particularly for three or four months. Your owners told you it was OK I assume. They paid for it, not me. As an owner, I'd be pissed to find out I paid for the every day administration of a drug that does what the report purports long term. I'd be a bad owner though. I would ask too many questions.

Let's just say that that particular owner was far more concerned with winning races than he is with pretty much anything else.

I have no problem with owners asking questions. Educated people are far better decision makers than people who are informed via Joe Drape.

The entire tone of that recent NYT piece that all these poor owners are being duped into paying huge vet bills by trainers is hyperbole. The truth is that we arent paid by most people to train their horse, we are paid to win races hence the main method of selecting trainers is via win %. You wont find that in any reports or studies. But when a large majority of owners continue to use a single qualification to choose trainers (win %) they are more or less endorsing whatever methods tht trainer employs. I find it hard to believe that people are stunned when they get huge vet bills from leading trainers.

Personally I prefer to train for people who have a clue as to what is going on and care about their horses. I could have twice as many horses as I have now pretty easily but too many people dont pay and what can be worse for your horse than having a trainer cutting corners because they dont have enough money to do things right?

[cmorioles]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Let's just say that that particular owner was far more concerned with winning races than he is with pretty much anything else.

I have no problem with owners asking questions. Educated people are far better decision makers than people who are informed via Joe Drape.

The entire tone of that recent NYT piece that all these poor owners are being duped into paying huge vet bills by trainers is hyperbole. The truth is that we arent paid by most people to train their horse, we are paid to win races hence the main method of selecting trainers is via win %. You wont find that in any reports or studies. But when a large majority of owners continue to use a single qualification to choose trainers (win %) they are more or less endorsing whatever methods tht trainer employs. I find it hard to believe that people are stunned when they get huge vet bills from leading trainers.

Personally I prefer to train for people who have a clue as to what is going on and care about their horses. I could have twice as many horses as I have now pretty easily but too many people dont pay and what can be worse for your horse than having a trainer cutting corners because they dont have enough money to do things right?

Just to be clear I wasn't talking about the NYT article. I haven't even read the last one after the first two. They are full of crap for the most part.

For the record, if I did own horses, you are the kind of guy I would hire. The last guys I would hire would be people like Pletcher or Asmussen.

[NoLuvForPletch]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Just to be clear I wasn't talking about the NYT article. I haven't even read the last one after the first two. They are full of crap for the most part.

For the record, if I did own horses, you are the kind of guy I would hire. The last guys I would hire would be people like Pletcher or Asmussen.

Hey Chuck. You made a sale! You gave this guy too much of your time, though I enjoyed reading your take on things. So all was not lost.

[freddymo]

Originally Posted by NoLuvForPletch

Hey Chuck. You made a sale! You gave this guy too much of your time, though I enjoyed reading your take on things. So all was not lost.

Yeah Chuck you made an awesome case again. That guy is a complete lack of talent hair brain, probably doesnt bet or even follow racing much.

BTW if you double up on the adequan and the Clen in Pa. they will never catch you. Clen works really well and that adequan mixed in with some steriods bute and "canes" is a terrific cocktail.

I enjoyed the conversation and mutual acknowledgement of e-cred.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by freddymo

Yeah Chuck you made an awesome case again. That guy is a complete lack of talent hair brain, probably doesnt bet or even follow racing much.

BTW if you double up on the adequan and the Clen in Pa. they will never catch you. Clen works really well and that adequan mixed in with some steriods bute and "canes" is a terrific cocktail.

For a smart guy he seems to take what is written in the racing media which for the most part is a credible as Pravda as fact when much of it is actually propaganda.

Racing in PA is over till next year now that the "historic" PA Derby/Cotillion card is in the rear view mirror.