Random observations on 9/11

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by pointman

It did not have to be war, but more support for those trying to overthrow these terrorist governments and help in organizing true democracies instead of sitting on the sidelines. You touched on my point with Syria, we have sent no clear message to anyone and no analyzation can justify action in Libya but no action in Syria. Isolationism is worst possible policy and has never worked. Look where it got us with Hitler.

I dont think Germany in the 1930's compares at all to the middle eastern problem.

and it is completely impossible to do all this government and military intervention and also lower taxes and have an economic recovery. We are simply draining our resources.

I dont know... I'd just rather other countries deal with their own problems and we can deal with our own problems.

[Antitrust32]

some smart guys thoughts:

George Washington:

"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."

Thomas Jefferson, admonished in his inaugural address : "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none."

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

some smart guys thoughts:

George Washington:

"The great rule of conduct for us, in regard to foreign nations, is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves, by artificial ties, in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities."Thomas Jefferson, admonished in his inaugural address : "peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none."

ding ding ding!!!




ignore it, repeat it.

[pointman]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

I dont think Germany in the 1930's compares at all to the middle eastern problem.

and it is completely impossible to do all this government and military intervention and also lower taxes and have an economic recovery. We are simply draining our resources.

I dont know... I'd just rather other countries deal with their own problems and we can deal with our own problems.

It would be nice if our country could deal only with our problems. But that is not the reality which is the lesson that WWII taught us. Right now, the Iranian's are aggresively pursuing a nuclear bomb with the ambition to impose their view that Allah is god of everyone and anyone who does not follow that view is an infidel.

If we put our head in the sand and do not pay attention to what is happening in the middle east and Iran obtains a nuclear bomb, we are likely to get involved in a war that will be far costlier both monetarily and in human lives than trying to deal with these issues today. We need a strong leader who will set a clear policy, not a weak leader who is willing to sit on the sidelines and shift these problems to the U.N., which is what we have right now.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by pointman

It would be nice if our country could deal only with our problems. But that is not the reality which is the lesson that WWII taught us. Right now, the Iranian's are aggresively pursuing a nuclear bomb with the ambition to impose their view that Allah is god of everyone and anyone who does not follow that view is an infidel.

If we put our head in the sand and do not pay attention to what is happening in the middle east and Iran obtains a nuclear bomb, we are likely to get involved in a war that will be far costlier both monetarily and in human lives than trying to deal with these issues today. We need a strong leader who will set a clear policy, not a weak leader who is willing to sit on the sidelines and shift these problems to the U.N., which is what we have right now.

fair enough, I can definately understand where you are coming from.