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Coach Pants 09-11-2012 09:39 AM

Random observations on 9/11
 
The effeminate morning guy on FoxNews said Building 7 collapsed due to a raging fire.

I might be a little slow but most buildings can sustain a fire.

Maybe we have a few engineers/scientists on the board that can explain to me how a fire could collapse that building.

:D

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 09:41 AM

CNN is talking about the iPhone 5 right now.


Remember....Never Forget.

golfer 09-11-2012 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889466)
The effeminate morning guy on FoxNews said Building 7 collapsed due to a raging fire.

I might be a little slow but most buildings can sustain a fire.

Maybe we have a few engineers/scientists on the board that can explain to me how a fire could collapse that building.

:D

You mean the building that could be seen standing over the shoulder of a CNN reporter as she told everyone it had already collapsed?? That building?

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by golfer (Post 889468)
You mean the building that could be seen standing over the shoulder of a CNN reporter as she told everyone it had already collapsed?? That building?

Yes that one.

I believe that's the same one that the BBC had a ticker running that said it collapsed while it was in the background of the live shot.

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 09:55 AM

Herman Cain is sharing his experience at the golf course in Orlando, Florida during 9/11 on Fox News.

You know...working hard and whatnot.

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 09:59 AM

CNBC talking about Steve Jobs.

Jobs said the U.S. lacks engineers.

What a coincidence!! Guess I'll be waiting for an answer to my question.

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 10:00 AM

I don't watch the news on tv much, if at all.

I'm starting to see why things are so bad. If people are getting their news from these folks...whoa.

jms62 09-11-2012 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889471)
CNBC talking about Steve Jobs.

Jobs said the U.S. lacks engineers willing to work for slave wages.

What a coincidence!! Guess I'll be waiting for an answer to my question.

ftfy.

How about the millions of engineers that lost their jobs due to outsourcing the last 10 years.. If it is said on TV then it is true right? Never think for a second those that those that are profiting from this behavior may also be the ones sponsoring the "unbiased" main stream media.

Rudeboyelvis 09-11-2012 10:38 AM

Apparently the failure of one column - of all of the columns in the structure - this one particular column - could have caused the type of controlled collapse with a relatively small debris field witnessed:

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives...sanz-Nov07.pdf

CNN and the BCC reporting it live before it happened? Well, they still don't have the answer for that one.

3kings 09-11-2012 10:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889471)
CNBC talking about Steve Jobs.

Jobs said the U.S. lacks engineers.

What a coincidence!! Guess I'll be waiting for an answer to my question.

:tro:
I laughed, but I can't answer your question.

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 11:37 AM

Angelina Jolie is in Jordan today according to CNN. She's visiting Syrian refugees looking for a cute baby.

:D

Danzig 09-11-2012 12:27 PM

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ecture/4278874


and yes, rosie o'donnell you fat pig, steel does and can melt. but it'll lose it's integrity long before that happens.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...eering/4213805


Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.

Clip-Clop 09-11-2012 12:32 PM

Random observation, Pres needs volunteers!
Oh yeah, something very sad happened 11 years ago too.

https://twitter.com/BarackObama

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rudeboyelvis (Post 889474)
Apparently the failure of one column - of all of the columns in the structure - this one particular column - could have caused the type of controlled collapse with a relatively small debris field witnessed:

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives...sanz-Nov07.pdf

CNN and the BCC reporting it live before it happened? Well, they still don't have the answer for that one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 889480)
http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...ecture/4278874


and yes, rosie o'donnell you fat pig, steel does and can melt. but it'll lose it's integrity long before that happens.

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...eering/4213805


Steel melts at about 2,750 degrees Fahrenheit—but it loses strength at temperatures as low as 400 F. When temperatures break 1000 degrees F, steel loses nearly 50 percent of its strength. It is unknown what temperatures were reached inside WTC7, but fires in the building raged for seven hours before the collapse.

I'd like to see some statistical odds of that happening to building 7, RBE. Has to be real small.

Yes, zig. But even you agree that really doesn't answer what happened to building 7.

I've been accustomed to seeing fires in most building collapsing a corner of the structure. But I don't believe I've ever seen a building like 7 collapse the way it did from a fire.

Danzig 09-11-2012 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889485)
I'd like to see some statistical odds of that happening to building 7, RBE. Has to be real small.

Yes, zig. But even you agree that really doesn't answer what happened to building 7.

I've been accustomed to seeing fires in most building collapsing a corner of the structure. But I don't believe I've ever seen a building like 7 collapse the way it did from a fire.

did you read the whole report? seems part of the issue with 7 was the way it was engineeredd/built.

Clip-Clop 09-11-2012 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889485)
I'd like to see some statistical odds of that happening to building 7, RBE. Has to be real small.

Yes, zig. But even you agree that really doesn't answer what happened to building 7.

I've been accustomed to seeing fires in most building collapsing a corner of the structure. But I don't believe I've ever seen a building like 7 collapse the way it did from a fire.

Because of the footprint and the type of structure that 7 was the only likely cause of the fall that would make some sense structurally that I could come up with (along with a few structural engineers in my office) is that the underground support structure was compromised by the collapse. Hence the straight down fall into itself. Lower Manhattan, particularly that area is basically suspended over tons of open space for the tubes. I had them actually write something up for me. I will see if I can find it.

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 889488)
Because of the footprint and the type of structure that 7 was the only likely cause of the fall that would make some sense structurally that I could come up with (along with a few structural engineers in my office) is that the underground support structure was compromised by the collapse. Hence the straight down fall into itself. Lower Manhattan, particularly that area is basically suspended over tons of open space for the tubes. I had them actually write something up for me. I will see if I can find it.

That would be great. Thanks!

Clip-Clop 09-11-2012 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Coach Pants (Post 889489)
That would be great. Thanks!

We no longer have it here, since our server died but they pointed me to the "widely known" (they are engineers mind you) Structure magazine article confirming their theory.

http://www.structuremag.org/Archives...sanz-Nov07.pdf

Coach Pants 09-11-2012 01:14 PM

RBE posted that earlier. I need more explanation.

That is all other engineers have to go on? Not one of them remembers how some politicians and others reassured the public the towers were safe?

All of a sudden they and building 7 are severely flawed? So basically fiery debris caused a high rise building to collapse.

Still don't buy it.

MaTH716 09-11-2012 01:27 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UndqJTLin9A


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