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[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

You admit your boss avoided paying taxes and avoided checking hires for alien status as the law requires. So what if you knew they were all college kids? I'm not doubting you did, or they were. They avoided paying taxes, too, and you and your boss enabled that. You went along with it, didn't you?

Your boss broke multiple laws here, and you know it.

And people like your boss breaking those laws, in the manner he did, enables illegal aliens who do not have fake social security numbers to work in the United States. He is part of the problem of "illegals". A big part.

He's also a tax evader that hurts you, me, and everyone else. And he enables his employees to tax-evade, too.

Stop whining and screaming about it and trying to blame me for pointing out the reality of a situation YOU posted about.

Reading comprehension classes. Please.

I hire college graduates. All citizens and tax payers.
I have worked in the industries I referenced earlier that are heavily populated by illegal day workers and have seen, and handed cash to illegal workers. I have no boss. I own my companies and do not practice this crime.

That said.
Try working in a kitchen and going to the owner of the restaurant and telling him that he is a criminal for hiring illegals to work the line. See if you get to keep your job. Then tell him you will report him to the authorities fully aware of the fact that nothing at all will happen from this reporting.
Do that while working in an Italian restaurant in NJ when you are 17 years old (and on the books) and let me know how that works out for you.
Or choose a concrete company in the same location, same scenario but now you are 19.
Or a landscaping company whose owner you know very well and has just given you your first management position at 21.

Your arguments are never based in any kind of reality.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

Reading comprehension classes. Please.

I hire college graduates. All citizens and tax payers.

I ask you to have the reading comprehension. I am discussing the situation with your boss, as you described it and participated in it. Not your companies you have now with you as the boss.

You said:

Those folks are paid daily in cash. I have paid them myself (though not for my companies)

And you said your boss gave you cash to pay them

When the boss handed me cash to give to the daily guys, I gave it to them,

Duh.

That you follow the law now, with your own companies, where your former boss did not, is a good thing.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

I ask you to have the reading comprehension. I am discussing the situation with your boss, as you described it and participated in it. Not your companies you have now with you as the boss.

You said:


And you said your boss gave you cash to pay them.

Duh.

See above.

[Riot]

Clip Clip said:
That said.
Try working in a kitchen and going to the owner of the restaurant and telling him that he is a criminal for hiring illegals to work the line. See if you get to keep your job. Then tell him you will report him to the authorities fully aware of the fact that nothing at all will happen from this reporting.
Do that while working in an Italian restaurant in NJ when you are 17 years old (and on the books) and let me know how that works out for you.
Or choose a concrete company in the same location, same scenario but now you are 19.
Or a landscaping company whose owner you know very well and has just given you your first management position at 21.

Your arguments are never based in any kind of reality.

The reality is, as I said, it is American citizens who are deliberately breaking the law, and you scapegoating the illegals only, while making multiple excuses for American bosses breaking the law, is absurd.

The American citizen bosses who choose to deliberately break the law, and hire illegals who do not have faked ID (which protects a boss who checks according to the law), are the only reason those illegals are able to work in the US.

You defending such lawbreaking Americans is absurd.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

The reality is, as I said, it is American citizens who are deliberately breaking the law, and you scapegoating the illegals only, while making multiple excuses for American bosses breaking the law, is absurd.

The American citizen bosses who choose to deliberately break the law, and hire illegals who do not have faked ID (which protects a boss who checks according to the law), are the only reason those illegals are able to work in the US.

You defending such lawbreaking Americans is absurd.

WRONG again.

"Absolutely, please suggest a punishment for those people. I would suggest something severe enough that they will hire Americans to do those jobs instead."

I am defending my decision to not report the people I worked for to an authority I knew would do nothing about it.

That is what I said, you chose not to answer my question (as per usual) and ignore (or fail to comprehend) the comment.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop

WRONG again.

"Absolutely, please suggest a punishment for those people. I would suggest something severe enough that they will hire Americans to do those jobs instead."

I am defending my decision to not report the people I worked for to an authority I knew would do nothing about it.

Yeah. And as I have already said, tolerating lawbreaking like you did, and your boss actually did in breaking the laws himself, is exactly what enables it's continuance, isn't it? That is exactly what enables illegal aliens to work without fake ID, isn't it?

I asked you, posts ago, what punishment you think should be enacted, over and above what currently exists in the law, to prevent that, to intimidate men like your boss to not do it, to intimidate people like you with direct knowledge to report lawbreakers like them. You failed to answer.

BTW, your assumption nothing would be done to tax cheats and illegal hiring is beyond absurd and with zero merit. It's pursued whenever it's found. People like you enable it by not reporting it. I understand you are in fear of your job. That's why there are whistleblower laws to protect you. You made your choice not to report it. Fine.

But don't you dare only blame illegal aliens for working in the US, while excusing the American citizen bosses and employees that enable it while screwing the rest of us out of tax money our states and country is entitled to.

[dellinger63]

I still wonder how incapable our INS must be?

For Allah's sake those Iranians were able to detect two little women crossing over the second it happened. Just ask Al Gore.

What's the INS budget per year? Or better that n Obama terms over ten years?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

I still wonder how incapable our INS must be?

For Allah's sake those Iranians were able to detect two little women crossing over the second it happened. Just ask Al Gore.

What's the INS budget per year? Or better that n Obama terms over ten years?

Considering how many illegals Obama has deported, and how illegal immigration over our southern borders has decreased, I'd say they are pretty capable. You can look up the INS budget if you really cared about reality.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah. And as I have already said, tolerating lawbreaking like you did, and your boss actually did in breaking the laws himself, is exactly what enables it's continuance, isn't it? That is exactly what enables illegal aliens to work without fake ID, isn't it?

I asked you, posts ago, what punishment you think should be enacted, over and above what currently exists in the law, to prevent that, to intimidate men like your boss to not do it, to intimidate people like you with direct knowledge to report lawbreakers like them. You failed to answer.

BTW, your assumption nothing would be done to tax cheats and illegal hiring is beyond absurd and with zero merit. It's pursued whenever it's found. People like you enable it by not reporting it. I understand you are in fear of your job. That's why there are whistleblower laws to protect you. You made your choice not to report it. Fine.

But don't you dare only blame illegal aliens for working in the US, while excusing the American citizen bosses and employees that enable it while screwing the rest of us out of tax money our states and country is entitled to.

OK.