Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 879281)

You probably have seen this one but thought it was a good time to drag it out..





Right or left, it doesn't matter. It is really only up or down in politics.





When top level people look down, they see only shiitheads;

When the bottom level people look up, they see only assholes.

You will Never see another Flow Chart that describes politics so clearly.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 879291)

surprised i hadn't seen that before. sums thinks up very succinctly. but no, not everyone will agree that it's correct. some would remove the democrat bird, others the republican bird. but yeah, either way, we're the ones getting shat upon.

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 879301)

Only if you're law abiding and paying taxes.

The illegals and deadbeats have ultimate lives here in America.

Free of taxes and free to stay. :zz:

Originally Posted by bigrun (Post 879315)

Please, no facts here....just opinions...:)

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 879301)

Only if you're law abiding and paying taxes.

The illegals and deadbeats have ultimate lives here in America.

Free of taxes and free to stay. :zz:

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879312)

Illegals that have jobs pay taxes, Dell - local, state, federal, SS and Medicare - and never get it back. That money goes into your pockets.

Obama has deported more illegal immigrants to date than Bush did his entire term.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879394)

Illegals with jobs do pay taxes, unless they work in farming, food service, landscaping, child care or construction. Those folks are paid daily in cash. I have paid them myself (though not for my companies) aside from the farming and child care groups, though I am fully aware that it does happen that way.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879394)

Illegals with jobs do pay taxes, unless they work in farming, food service, landscaping, child care or construction. Those folks are paid daily in cash. I have paid them myself (though not for my companies) aside from the farming and child care groups, though I am fully aware that it does happen that way.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879417)

Yes, but every American who hires isn't a lawbreaker. The vast majority of illegals get SS numbers and pay into the systems, without ever getting anything out. Their money goes to us.

All those American citizen business owners you describe, that are breaking the law in several ways (illegal hiring, tax evasion), need to be punished - no? We can't blame illegals entirely when folks like you enable them to stay here by you deliberately breaking the law and committing tax evasion in their hiring.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879419)

Absolutely, please suggest a punishment for those people.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879421)

Those punishments already exist. American citizens who knowingly hire illegals, or fail to check as required, have broken several laws, and paying people in cash - whether illegal aliens or not - breaks several more.

As a fellow business owner who does hiring and has a payroll, I'm sure that you, like me, know this already.



So, you feel better about your breaking the law, and illegally paying folks cash, because they were not illegals? That's exactly equally as illegal and lawbreaking as paying illegals in cash.

I lump you in with "folks deliberately breaking the law", because you did.

Originally Posted by Clip-Clop (Post 879434)

I am suggesting that people hiring illegals and paying them cash should be so very afraid of the consequences of that crime that they would be lining up outside the welfare and unemployment offices to hire legal citizens.

Originally Posted by Riot (Post 879437)

We already have laws that make it clearly illegal to hire illegal aliens, and every employer is required by law to check alien status before hiring.

If employers, American citizens, choose deliberately to break the law, if they are so disrespectful of our laws, they are already subject to punishment.

What punishment, over and above the current, do you think that punishment should be raised to, to prevent American employers from choosing to break the law? You and your boss are clearly not afraid of breaking the current laws - what would make you so afraid you'd stop your payroll tax evasion and law breaking in hiring? You say that is what should stop you - so, what would stop you?




No. It is people such as you and your boss, that enable illegal aliens to work here, because you choose to break our current law and not check alien status before you hire.

You pay those people cash without checking their alien status? Aside from your deliberate payroll tax evasion that hurts me, personally, and my fellow citizens, by denying our treasury income, because you are a tax cheat, you are enabling illegals to work here.

You can try to slide out of that however you want, but employers such as you and your boss - who hire outside our law and pay cash - are a major reason illegal aliens (those without faked social security numbers) get employment in America and can stay here.

And you saying you do it because the laws that punish you don't scare you enough to make you stop is beyond absurd.

Originally Posted by dellinger63 (Post 879482)

Are illegals going to be required to obtain health insurance? Or are we going to treat them status quo? You know thru the ER.

BTW Legals who are being paid under the table to avoid having beni's cancelled are worse than illegals doing the same IMO.

Originally Posted by Danzig (Post 879489)

and anyone being paid cash is doing a wrong, not any worse or better regardless of status.