Elway trying to draft the next Elway

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

Clearly Elway is the best QB in Denver

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Clearly Elway is the best QB in Denver

In the last game out of the box, the kid's first pass is a midrange completion for 28 yards. After that they run for a first down behind McGhee and Tebow hits a couple of short ones for 15 yards......so now the kid is 3 for 3 has hit one big pass when asked to and they have a fourth and one after gaining 60 yards and what do they do with,one of, if not the best running quarterback this year in the NFL.
Instead of showing confidence in him and letting the kid get them a yard when he averages just shy of 5 a carry they take all of the momentum away from him run a dive after a time out which the Jets stuff and the go vanilla the rest of the night........until!!

5 minutes left and they now call his number every play, 55 rushing 50 passing and all you hear is the kid is dog meat for the first 55 minutes. Nonsense!!.......

The Denver coaching staff undermines the kid's confidence until they let the kid do his thing at the end of the game with the exception of the game he made a handful of down field throws and didn't need to ask for a miracle ending.

If they would call plays to his strengths in the early quarters, roll out throws, running plays he will get better and better. If he can hit some of the down field throws previously he can hit more.

He doesn't turn it over but is so damn scared to do so he throws conservatively where only his guy has a chance every single throw thus his completion percentage is horrible. Yes his mechanics were horrible but he deserves more from his coaching staff because he saving their jobs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

In the last game out of the box, the kid's first pass is a midrange completion for 28 yards. After that they run for a first down behind McGhee and Tebow hits a couple of short ones for 15 yards......so now the kid is 3 for 3 has hit one big pass when asked to and they have a fourth and one after gaining 60 yards and what do they do with,one of, if not the best running quarterback this year in the NFL.
Instead of showing confidence in him and letting the kid get them a yard when he averages just shy of 5 a carry they take all of the momentum away from him run a dive after a time out which the Jets stuff and the go vanilla the rest of the night........until!!

5 minutes left and they now call his number every play, 55 rushing 50 passing and all you hear is the kid is dog meat for the first 55 minutes. Nonsense!!.......

The Denver coaching staff undermines the kid's confidence until they let the kid do his thing at the end of the game with the exception of the game he made a handful of down field throws and didn't need to ask for a miracle ending.

If they would call plays to his strengths in the early quarters, roll out throws, running plays he will get better and better. If he can hit some of the down field throws previously he can hit more.

He doesn't turn it over but is so damn scared to do so he throws conservatively where only his guy has a chance every single throw thus his completion percentage is horrible. Yes his mechanics were horrible but he deserves more from his coaching staff because he saving their jobs.

Elway is still the best QB in Denver

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Elway is still the best QB in Denver

OMG that is awfully close to actually agreeing with me....but yes Elway in a suit
probably throws a much better ball than anyone else in the organization.....

I just can't stand John Fox talking about the kid like he was a handicap and then riding Tebow's late game performances to another year coaching this team.

If Denver makes the playoffs..........ahhh you fill in the blank!

[jms62]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Elway is still the best QB in Denver

And Orton is the 2nd best.

[herkhorse]

With every win, Elway bangs his head against the wall.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

And Orton is the 2nd best.

...and has the record to prove it. He is awesome. Same squad for the first 5 as the last 5 (minus li'l hands Kyle), actually they were healthier AND more talented (Lloyd).

[jms62]

As an NFL QB Orton is head and shoulders above Tebow and would be the starter if the fans weren't crying for Tebow and Elway didn't bow to that. Face it, Elway put Tebow in to fail and get the fans off his back so he then could get rid of him. His gimmicky style will be exposed as soon as Defenses take it seriously which I would estimate would be very shortly based upon the embarassment he put on the Jets. If you think this guy is the future then good luck with that. He plays like the game is WAY WAY too fast for him. Makes me think of inturmural flag football when I watch him wait for LB's to clear out on coverage and he runs the ball. Enjoy your wins and your mid round draft pick and your postion in NFL purgatory. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a pick that will turn the franchise around.

Face it this whole run is the defense who is playing like every game is sudden death. They know they give up more than 14 points and they are losers. For that I credit Tebow, kid has all the heart in the world but not NFL QB Skill by a long long shot. Question for you if Denver fans are such believers then why the boo-birds this past Thursday?

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

As an NFL QB Orton is head and shoulders above Tebow and would be the starter if the fans weren't crying for Tebow and Elway didn't bow to that. Face it, Elway put Tebow in to fail and get the fans off his back so he then could get rid of him. His gimmicky style will be exposed as soon as Defenses take it seriously which I would estimate would be very shortly based upon the embarassment he put on the Jets. If you think this guy is the future then good luck with that. He plays like the game is WAY WAY too fast for him. Makes me think of inturmural flag football when I watch him wait for LB's to clear out on coverage and he runs the ball. Enjoy your wins and your mid round draft pick and your postion in NFL purgatory. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a pick that will turn the franchise around.

Face it this whole run is the defense who is playing like every game is sudden death. They know they give up more than 14 points and they are losers. For that I credit Tebow, kid has all the heart in the world but not NFL QB Skill by a long long shot. Question for you if Denver fans are such believers then why the boo-birds this past Thursday?

First, I am not a Broncos fan, just live here and therefore root for them. I am a Cowboys fan which comes with its own special set of issues at QB, but that is a different thread.

Orton-sure he can throw the ball better than Tebow (although it goes to the defense at the worst possible times via pick or fumble), but that is not the sole job of QB. There is much more to it than that otherwise Ryan Leaf would be Peyton Manning. If that was your guy, you would get it. Maybe if you are a Charger fan you understand what it is like.

Tebow-is the game too fast for him, of course. Show me a QB that doesn't have those issues after 7 starts outside of the best of the best.
The way NFL defenses are built these days this offense could be successful for a while. Defense is built to react to the offense, NFL offenses are very pass heavy and nobody runs the ball like Denver has structured this offense. Is it the permanent solution, no, no way, but it is working when it matters.

Boo-birds- Just like the J-E-T-S the boos are (or should be) for the offensive coordinators not calling anything creative and taking the playbook out of the hands of the QB's. Although based on what I saw Thursday, Sanchez should not have access to much of it.

Defense- playing lights out, no question about it, but they were playing that way early too, just frustrated to be backed up all the time by Orton's f-ups. Miller is insane and also in love with Tebow. The corners are still small and weak and get exposed by an offense like Detroit, the safetys...D-line is coming around. The keys to the win streak are the linebackers and Tebow taking over the offense. Plain and simple.

I know there is work to be done with Tebow and what they are doing is not going to last but Orton is a disaster and will not likely get a backup spot somewhere next year with all the NCAA talent coming out (again) in this years QB draft.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by jms62

As an NFL QB Orton is head and shoulders above Tebow and would be the starter if the fans weren't crying for Tebow and Elway didn't bow to that. Face it, Elway put Tebow in to fail and get the fans off his back so he then could get rid of him. His gimmicky style will be exposed as soon as Defenses take it seriously which I would estimate would be very shortly based upon the embarassment he put on the Jets. If you think this guy is the future then good luck with that. He plays like the game is WAY WAY too fast for him. Makes me think of inturmural flag football when I watch him wait for LB's to clear out on coverage and he runs the ball. Enjoy your wins and your mid round draft pick and your postion in NFL purgatory. Not good enough for the playoffs and not bad enough for a pick that will turn the franchise around.

Face it this whole run is the defense who is playing like every game is sudden death. They know they give up more than 14 points and they are losers. For that I credit Tebow, kid has all the heart in the world but not NFL QB Skill by a long long shot. Question for you if Denver fans are such believers then why the boo-birds this past Thursday?

PS...Your squad?