Elway trying to draft the next Elway

[Cannon Shell]

Teams are daring him to pass and yet he still struggles with seemingly simply completions. For whatever reason he seems to be more effective when not in the pocket which will eventually lead to hit taking a lot of big hits. I'm not a hater and he has an unusual skill set which can be utilized in some fashion but he has a longer windup than Hideo Nomo and between that and his accuracy probem it is hard to believe that the league wont be able to contain him pretty easily.

[RockHardTen1985]

I think long term Tebow will be a solid NFL QB. He might not ever make a pro bowl, but he finds ways to win games. He is better then at least 1/3 of the starters now, including the guy he beat last nighy. The guy seems dedicated enough, there is no reasson at all he cant work on his throwing and other aspects of his game that need to be improved. Denver needs a lot of things... They need a WR they need a RB, those are just the skill things that they need. They should not be looking at getting another QB, they should try to improve the team around Tebow.

[hi_im_god]

can we please just drop the completely false argument that team wins trump individual skills in this discussion?

if all that matters is wins then tebow at 4-1 is the favorite for rookie of the year over a 2-7 fraud like cam newton.

and they both trail randall cobb who is apparently leading green bay to a so far undefeated season.

you can argue that his skill set is different from that of the typical nfl quarterback. you can argue that he brings intangible assets like leadership or a "will to win".

but gloating over a win where your offense scored 10 points the entire game (with 3 of those coming on a 15 yard drive) is drooling on the floor idiotic when the discussion is qb skills.

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

can we please just drop the completely false argument that team wins trump individual skills in this discussion?

if all that matters is wins then tebow at 4-1 is the favorite for rookie of the year over a 2-7 fraud like cam newton.

and they both trail randall cobb who is apparently leading green bay to a so far undefeated season.

you can argue that his skill set is different from that of the typical nfl quarterback. you can argue that he brings intangible assets like leadership or a "will to win".

but gloating over a win where your offense scored 10 points the entire game (with 3 of those coming on a 15 yard drive) is drooling on the floor idiotic when the discussion is qb skills.

No it's not. It shows that he doesn't get frustrated easily. Tard-o for the Chargers would've checked out at halftime with a performance similar to last night.

He's got intangibles. Plus he's an unbearable personality. Awful combo.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No it's not. It shows that he doesn't get frustrated easily. Tard-o for the Chargers would've checked out at halftime with a performance similar to last night.

He's got intangibles. Plus he's an unbearable personality. Awful combo.

Whats unbearable about him?

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

Whats unbearable about him?

The disingenuous praying after every big play. A true Christian doesn't gloat their faith in competition...unless they're playing against Satan.

He needs to tone that s.hit down. I'd have a bromance with him if he was agnostic.

[hi_im_god]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

No it's not. It shows that he doesn't get frustrated easily. Tard-o for the Chargers would've checked out at halftime with a performance similar to last night.

He's got intangibles. Plus he's an unbearable personality. Awful combo.

i'd love to be in on the discussions the coaching staff has with the receivers in denver. "tim tebow is the new qb. you guy's aren't really needed anymore."

norv turner is finally rubbing off on phillip rivers. san diego fan thought firing schottenheimer for not winning playoff games after 14-2 seasons was a great idea. dreams of super bowl titles danced in their heads.

good call.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by hi_im_god

i'd love to be in on the discussions the coaching staff has with the receivers in denver. "tim tebow is the new qb. you guy's aren't really needed anymore."

norv turner is finally rubbing off on phillip rivers. san diego fan thought firing schottenheimer for not winning playoff games after 14-2 seasons was a great idea. dreams of super bowl titles danced in their heads.

good call.

i was blown away by the firing of marty-you fire your coach because you think you can do better. norv is better?! i've enjoyed watching the steady decline. the gm is a moron. he 'won' the battle vs marty, but he's certainly losing the war.

[MaTH716]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think long term Tebow will be a solid NFL QB. He might not ever make a pro bowl, but he finds ways to win games. He is better then at least 1/3 of the starters now, including the guy he beat last nighy. The guy seems dedicated enough, there is no reasson at all he cant work on his throwing and other aspects of his game that need to be improved. Denver needs a lot of things... They need a WR they need a RB, those are just the skill things that they need. They should not be looking at getting another QB, they should try to improve the team around Tebow.

I'm sorry I disagree with that. I can't see how a guy who can't throw the ball be beter than 10 other NFL QB's.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by MaTH716

I'm sorry I disagree with that. I can't see how a guy who can't throw the ball be beter than 10 other NFL QB's.

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

I don't either.

[RockHardTen1985]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

He is better then Mark Sanchez. Are we saying Orton is 2?

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by jms62

I am in the minority I know but I do not think Tebow is the best QB in Denver.

Clearly Elway is the best QB in Denver

[docicu3]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

Clearly Elway is the best QB in Denver

In the last game out of the box, the kid's first pass is a midrange completion for 28 yards. After that they run for a first down behind McGhee and Tebow hits a couple of short ones for 15 yards......so now the kid is 3 for 3 has hit one big pass when asked to and they have a fourth and one after gaining 60 yards and what do they do with,one of, if not the best running quarterback this year in the NFL.
Instead of showing confidence in him and letting the kid get them a yard when he averages just shy of 5 a carry they take all of the momentum away from him run a dive after a time out which the Jets stuff and the go vanilla the rest of the night........until!!

5 minutes left and they now call his number every play, 55 rushing 50 passing and all you hear is the kid is dog meat for the first 55 minutes. Nonsense!!.......

The Denver coaching staff undermines the kid's confidence until they let the kid do his thing at the end of the game with the exception of the game he made a handful of down field throws and didn't need to ask for a miracle ending.

If they would call plays to his strengths in the early quarters, roll out throws, running plays he will get better and better. If he can hit some of the down field throws previously he can hit more.

He doesn't turn it over but is so damn scared to do so he throws conservatively where only his guy has a chance every single throw thus his completion percentage is horrible. Yes his mechanics were horrible but he deserves more from his coaching staff because he saving their jobs.

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by docicu3

In the last game out of the box, the kid's first pass is a midrange completion for 28 yards. After that they run for a first down behind McGhee and Tebow hits a couple of short ones for 15 yards......so now the kid is 3 for 3 has hit one big pass when asked to and they have a fourth and one after gaining 60 yards and what do they do with,one of, if not the best running quarterback this year in the NFL.
Instead of showing confidence in him and letting the kid get them a yard when he averages just shy of 5 a carry they take all of the momentum away from him run a dive after a time out which the Jets stuff and the go vanilla the rest of the night........until!!

5 minutes left and they now call his number every play, 55 rushing 50 passing and all you hear is the kid is dog meat for the first 55 minutes. Nonsense!!.......

The Denver coaching staff undermines the kid's confidence until they let the kid do his thing at the end of the game with the exception of the game he made a handful of down field throws and didn't need to ask for a miracle ending.

If they would call plays to his strengths in the early quarters, roll out throws, running plays he will get better and better. If he can hit some of the down field throws previously he can hit more.

He doesn't turn it over but is so damn scared to do so he throws conservatively where only his guy has a chance every single throw thus his completion percentage is horrible. Yes his mechanics were horrible but he deserves more from his coaching staff because he saving their jobs.

Elway is still the best QB in Denver

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by RockHardTen1985

I think long term Tebow will be a solid NFL QB. He might not ever make a pro bowl, but he finds ways to win games. He is better then at least 1/3 of the starters now, including the guy he beat last nighy. The guy seems dedicated enough, there is no reasson at all he cant work on his throwing and other aspects of his game that need to be improved. Denver needs a lot of things... They need a WR they need a RB, those are just the skill things that they need. They should not be looking at getting another QB, they should try to improve the team around Tebow.

You don't think he has been working on improving his throwing motion since way before the draft (2 yrs+)? It's not working.

I am not a hater, I'm actually a Gator, but I know what I see and I do not see a "solid NFL QB".

He's a solid NFL player. Big deal if he moves to tight end or fullback...actually with a decent quarterback that would be borderline unfair.

[Bigsmc]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He's a solid NFL player. Big deal if he moves to tight end or fullback...actually with a decent quarterback that would be borderline unfair.

I agree.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

He's a solid NFL player. Big deal if he moves to tight end or fullback...actually with a decent quarterback that would be borderline unfair.

I think that's all anyone is saying. He's a good player. He's just not a good NFL QB. He doesn't have the passing ability of an NFL QB. But he can contribute a lot of running to a team. Being a fullback or tight end is a great fit. It wouldn't be a big deal if he moved to another position. It'd be smart.

The thought he's better than 10 or so NFL QB's right now is silly though. He's clearly not.

Originally Posted by Dahoss

I think that's all anyone is saying. He's a good player. He's just not a good NFL QB. He doesn't have the passing ability of an NFL QB. But he can contribute a lot of running to a team. Being a fullback or tight end is a great fit. It wouldn't be a big deal if he moved to another position. It'd be smart.

The thought he's better than 10 or so NFL QB's right now is silly though. He's clearly not.

I'm with you. And he's still going to be a leader either way.