Gaddafy dead

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I completely agree with you on that one.

and it's why we should never have gone there! if the end result can't be what you want, then what is the point? there'd have been other ways to get bin laden and his cohorts.
i'm no dove or quaker. but for christs sake, if you're not going in to win the thing, don't effing go in.
darwin is wrong, there is no evolution, else we'd be smarter by now.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and it's why we should never have gone there! if the end result can't be what you want, then what is the point? there'd have been other ways to get bin laden and his cohorts.

How do you think that would have happened? We'd catch them on a plane?

Within two years of our troops going into Afghanistan, bin Laden and tens of other Al Quaeda are dead, it's scattered and leaderless, with very few left. Now, we get out. Going in after bin Laden wasn't bad. Hanging around trying to make the Afghani's a mini-USA is what is ridiculous.

[Danzig]

within two years? we've been in afganistan for ten. bin laden just got killed, didn't he? not eight years ago, that's for sure.
my point is, if the war in afganistan is either unwinnable, or unendable, than it shouldn't have been started.
bin laden died in pakistan, but you know that.
anyway, not a typical 'war', so it can't be waged in typical fashion. conventional warfare hasn't been the key, nor has it gotten us much in that country.
drones, spying, direct targeting on the other hand, it's worked wonders.

now, we may well have been done with all this bs over there in afganistan by now, had our country and military not been side-tracked into iraq all this time. that mistake, more than any other, is what's caused this to drag on for so long. poor handling from the start. however, afganistan just seems to be that song that never ends, no end in sight. how long til we decide we've done all we can do? have we done all we can? if so, and it won't get better, than we need to leave.

[dellinger63]

What should Libya offer the U.S. for services rendered?

I'm thinking 10% of net oil profits for the next 10 years.

Freedom is invaluable so maybe it should be more.

Knowing Obama, he'll probably throw $10 billion to them. It will be paid for by our rich so who cares?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

within two years? we've been in afganistan for ten. bin laden just got killed, didn't he? not eight years ago, that's for sure.

You know darn well Bush had skeleton troops in Afghanistan, dinking around, and Obama pushed alot more into there (as he promised as a candidate). That's what I mean. With two years of the troop surge.

Bush was too busy illegally invading Iraq to give his defense contractors money. None of that free loot available in Afghanistan. No wonder Bush targeted Iraq.

my point is, if the war in afganistan is either unwinnable, or unendable, than it shouldn't have been started.
bin laden died in pakistan, but you know that.

Yes. From a mission launched from the Afghan border, that couldn't have been launched from anywhere else.

anyway, not a typical 'war', so it can't be waged in typical fashion. conventional warfare hasn't been the key, nor has it gotten us much in that country.

It's not supposed to be "a war". We were supposed to be targeting Al Quaeda. Bush dinked around. Obama went in and got bin Laden. Time to come home.

drones, spying, direct targeting on the other hand, it's worked wonders.

I agree. The way to target terrorists.

now, we may well have been done with all this bs over there in afganistan by now, had our country and military not been side-tracked into iraq all this time. that mistake, more than any other, is what's caused this to drag on for so long. poor handling from the start.

Yes, indeed.

Go watch Australian racing! Cox Cup. Black Caviar running, Karuta Queen!

Fossil water and oil.

We'll see if things get better in Libya. It's a blast for blacks.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

You know darn well Bush had skeleton troops in Afghanistan, dinking around, and Obama pushed alot more into there (as he promised as a candidate). That's what I mean. With two years of the troop surge.

Bush was too busy illegally invading Iraq to give his defense contractors money. None of that free loot available in Afghanistan. No wonder Bush targeted Iraq.



Yes. From a mission launched from the Afghan border, that couldn't have been launched from anywhere else.



It's not supposed to be "a war". We were supposed to be targeting Al Quaeda. Bush dinked around. Obama went in and got bin Laden. Time to come home.



I agree. The way to target terrorists.


Yes, indeed.

Go watch Australian racing! Cox Cup. Black Caviar running, Karuta Queen!

why are you posting stuff as tho you're telling me something i don't know?? do you have alzheimers or something? i've said those things before, that bush dithered, that afganistan has dragged on because they took the focus off of that country, etc, etc. that it's all been fubar from the get go.

the reason i said 'war' is because altho the govt denied that 9-11 was an act of war (if they declared it as such, the onus would have falled on the govt, not insurers, to cover all the losses) yet they then said it was a 'war on terror'. it's been pushed as a war from the get go by our federal govt. but, as i said, you can't fight an unconventional war in a conventional manner. then, the fact that afganistan is how it is, also impedes any true progress there. if the powers that be wish to stay there until they have achieved everything they wish, we will NEVER get out of there. they need to be happy with what they've done, as it's about as much as they'll ever accomplish there. that country is a pathetic third world tribal mess. wipe the dust off our boots and be done with it.

[bigrun]

[Danzig]

oh, now, that's not fair at all big run!

some are born great
some achieve greatness
some have greatness thrust upon them.
thank goodness for barack obama. four more years!!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

why are you posting stuff as tho you're telling me something i don't know?? do you have alzheimers or something? i've said those things before, that bush dithered, that afganistan has dragged on because they took the focus off of that country, etc, etc. that it's all been fubar from the get go.

Wow. Remind me to stop agreeing with you. It makes you rude.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Wow. Remind me to stop agreeing with you. It makes you rude.

my mistake. it didnt come across to me as agreement. i thought you were lecturing.