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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yes, we agreed that we would continue to train their troops with a skeleton force of non-combat troops as they ASKED US TO.

Yeah, screw the President for that! Except, the entire Republican party is today attacking him for saying, "no", and pulling those last 4,000-5,000 out.

Good god.

You're dinking the President who did exactly what you wanted, and not mad at the Republican party taking the opposite view and wanting to keep the troops there?



Oh, seriously? He simply announced the war was over! There was no self-congratulation in the least. You think that's taking credit and spiking the football? C'mon, 'Zig

for having a college degree, you can be dense.

i said i'm glad they're out. what i also said is i find it laughable he's touting this as doing a great deed, when it wasn't what he actually wanted! of course, had he managed to get them to stay, he'd have still tried to portray it as a good thing.

that's my last attempt. if you can't get it, i give up.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

for having a college degree, you can be dense.

i said i'm glad they're out. what i also said is i find it laughable he's touting this as doing a great deed, when it wasn't what he actually wanted! of course, had he managed to get them to stay, he'd have still tried to portray it as a good thing.

that's my last attempt. if you can't get it, i give up.

Yeah, I do give up. For not having a college degree, you can be pretty dense yourself.

If Obama really wanted to "stay in Iraq", he would have found an excuse and left the skeleton training troops there anyway, don't you think?

He didn't. And he is sure being damned for, not only doing it, but not doing it. And wow, he sure spiked the football, and took credit for a final troop withdrawal on the date we've all known has been coming for years.

I give up, too.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, I do give up. For not having a college degree, you can be pretty dense yourself.

If Obama really wanted to "stay in Iraq", he would have found an excuse and left the skeleton training troops there anyway, don't you think?

He didn't. And he is sure being damned for, not only doing it, but not doing it. And wow, he sure spiked the football, and took credit for a final troop withdrawal on the date we've all known has been coming for years.

I give up, too.

yes, he did want them to stay. so did the pentagon. the only stickler was immunity. iraq wouldn't grant it. had they done so, we'd keep trainers there.

at any rate, glad they're all coming out. now, if only we could get out of afganistan. because whether it's one year from now or ten, i don't think the end result will change.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

Yeah, I do give up. For not having a college degree, you can be pretty dense yourself.

If Obama really wanted to "stay in Iraq", he would have found an excuse and left the skeleton training troops there anyway, don't you think? He didn't. And he is sure being damned for, not only doing it, but not doing it. And wow, he sure spiked the football, and took credit for a final troop withdrawal on the date we've all known has been coming for years.

I give up, too.

yes, he did want them to stay. so did the pentagon. the only stickler was immunity. iraq wouldn't grant it. had they done so, we'd keep trainers there. i wouldn't have stayed without it either. you can't order people to a post, order them to act, and then take the chance they'd be criminally charged for following an order!

at any rate, glad they're all coming out. now, if only we could get out of afganistan. because whether it's one year from now or ten, i don't think the end result will change.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

now, if only we could get out of afganistan. because whether it's one year from now or ten, i don't think the end result will change.

I completely agree with you on that one.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

I completely agree with you on that one.

and it's why we should never have gone there! if the end result can't be what you want, then what is the point? there'd have been other ways to get bin laden and his cohorts.
i'm no dove or quaker. but for christs sake, if you're not going in to win the thing, don't effing go in.
darwin is wrong, there is no evolution, else we'd be smarter by now.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

and it's why we should never have gone there! if the end result can't be what you want, then what is the point? there'd have been other ways to get bin laden and his cohorts.

How do you think that would have happened? We'd catch them on a plane?

Within two years of our troops going into Afghanistan, bin Laden and tens of other Al Quaeda are dead, it's scattered and leaderless, with very few left. Now, we get out. Going in after bin Laden wasn't bad. Hanging around trying to make the Afghani's a mini-USA is what is ridiculous.

[Danzig]

within two years? we've been in afganistan for ten. bin laden just got killed, didn't he? not eight years ago, that's for sure.
my point is, if the war in afganistan is either unwinnable, or unendable, than it shouldn't have been started.
bin laden died in pakistan, but you know that.
anyway, not a typical 'war', so it can't be waged in typical fashion. conventional warfare hasn't been the key, nor has it gotten us much in that country.
drones, spying, direct targeting on the other hand, it's worked wonders.

now, we may well have been done with all this bs over there in afganistan by now, had our country and military not been side-tracked into iraq all this time. that mistake, more than any other, is what's caused this to drag on for so long. poor handling from the start. however, afganistan just seems to be that song that never ends, no end in sight. how long til we decide we've done all we can do? have we done all we can? if so, and it won't get better, than we need to leave.