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[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Riot

So you are of the position that the US should be involved in zero wars?

We should not have pulled out of Iraq and moved into Afghanistan where the terrorists actually were?

We should not have gone and tried to get bin Laden?

When the Libyan resistance asked the US for help, we should not have gone to NATO for them, and gotten British and French troops to help them, instead of us, while we provided missles and drones and kept our troops out of it?

Just trying to figure out your position.

well, glad you've paid attention to all my posts on this subject. i thought i made my positions known on this all long ago.

as i've said before, we should never have gone into iraq. thus, those troops would never have been out of use in afganistan. as for that country, as i've posted before, more than once...there are three things said to be required to fight a proper war. one of those three requirements in the ability to WIN. can we? history would say no, especially considering the pc way in which we try to wage war these days. you can't fight a 'civilized' war. if you're going to do it, for gods sake, do it right. not half assed, namby pamby, don't step on any toes. it's called war for a reason.
as for libya, if it was a 'war' (which i thought it was never supposed to be, so i'm not sure why you included it)...all i've asked about libya is why? yet to see an answer. obama, who always asked for transparency in the past, has been anything but in this regard. hell, even congress asked- he didn't answer them either.


after 9-11, we were sold a bill of goods, by bush, by congress-the dems all were in lock step with the vote as well, as they didn't want to lose re-election by being portrayed as being 'soft'. they said 9-11 wasn't an act of war, which forced insurers to pay off (read your policies folks, you don't get covered if a loss is due to act of war) BUT it then became a war on terror. gotta love how govt gets to have cake and eat it too.
we didn't get osama bin laden because of the war in afganistan, we got him thru cia and other forms of spying and interrogation. the trillions spent and lives lost didn't do crap for getting him. i'm pretty sure we'd have gotten him without all the rest of it.
and now, the big question...

when will we get out of afganistan? who the hell knows. half the military spending in the world, and can't win in a place where the other side uses donkeys for transport.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Danzig

as for libya, if it was a 'war' (which i thought it was never supposed to be, so i'm not sure why you included it)...all i've asked about libya is why? yet to see an answer.

Did you not see the discussion when he announced we were going in?

"Because the rebel resistence asked us to"? So instead of sending 1 American there, Obama refused - and instead asked NATO, and NATO sent in troops? We did not?

I think the thoughts about "why Libya" were pretty thoroughly discussed when it happened 7 months ago.

obama, who always asked for transparency in the past, has been anything but in this regard. hell, even congress asked- he didn't answer them either.

Yes, I agree there was a question about Congress and their lack of involvement.

we didn't get osama bin laden because of the war in afganistan, we got him thru cia and other forms of spying and interrogation.

Actually, our troops helped push bin Laden out. And we needed a physcial presence there to launch the attack into Pakistan that killed bin Laden. We could not have gotten bin Laden if we didn't have an Afghani border to launch the attack from. It could not have come from the sea or elsewheres.

The rest of it, the 'nation building" stuff, yes, a mess.

when will we get out of afganistan? who the hell knows. half the military spending in the world, and can't win in a place where the other side uses donkeys for transport.

I hope we get out of Afghanistan asap.