European Union Collapse Thread

You are speaking from the mainstream media point of view. I assure you the Ron Paul sect is growing and still active. Whether the MSM Tards like it or not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You are speaking from the mainstream media point of view. I assure you the Ron Paul sect is growing and still active. Whether the MSM Tards like it or not.

No, I'm speaking from the "the lobbyists said they did it" point of view.

The Ron Paul supporters have never had anything to do with the co-opted Republican Tea Party stuff, they have always been on their own. And yes, the Ron Paul guys had their own "Tea Party" before the GOP co-opted the meme from the Wall Street reporter on the floor of the exchange. The Ron Paul guys had it first, and have never been part of the GOP Angry American Tour for Cash and Votes.

This is Santilli's rant on TV, that started all those older white folks to jump on the wagon with their tricorn hats, and that is the movement that was co-opted by the Republican Party lobbyists ("Tea Party Patriots" and "Tea Party Express")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHbjenBMLno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQW4z...eature=related

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You are speaking from the mainstream media point of view. I assure you the Ron Paul sect is growing and still active. Whether the MSM Tards like it or not.

The mainstream media point of view is the only one the vast majority of America sees, though.

The Ron Paul faction is never going to be any threat to the general GOP. They don't have the cash to take on the Koch Bros and they never will.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The mainstream media point of view is the only one the vast majority of America sees, though.

The Ron Paul faction is never going to be any threat to the general GOP. They don't have the cash to take on the Koch Bros and they never will.

What do the Cock Brothers want to accomplish? Do they want to be able to deal directly with Iran and cut out the middleman? Real ****in Patriots.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...eTIL_blog.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The Ron Paul faction is never going to be any threat to the general GOP. They don't have the cash to take on the Koch Bros and they never will.

Which is a shame, because I admire Ron Paul (not Rand, not in the least, he's fake through and through) for his consistency of political view. If Ron ever stopped at the edge of the cliff, I'd consider voting for him, but unfortunately, over the years he's gone ahead and leaped off into crazy too many times for my support.

But I'd rather have Ron Paul and his views on issues on the national stage versus the Democrats than other of the current Republican candidates. He's the class of that poor field.

BTW, Perry attacked Mitt as a member of a religious cult today.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Riot

Which is a shame, because I admire Ron Paul (not Rand, not in the least, he's fake through and through) for his consistency of political view. If Ron ever stopped at the edge of the cliff, I'd consider voting for him, but unfortunately, over the years he's gone ahead and leaped off into crazy too many times for my support.

But I'd rather have Ron Paul and his views on issues on the national stage versus the Democrats than other of the current Republican candidates. He's the class of that poor field.

BTW, Perry attacked Mitt as a member of a religious cult today.

Actually, it was a Perry supporter who endorsed Perry at a Values Voters Summit, not Perry himself:

Robert Jeffress, senior pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas, endorsed Perry at the Values Voters Summit, introducing him as "a proven leader, a true conservative, and a committed follower of Christ."

After his remarks, Jeffress told reporters that Perry's religion is different from Romney's.

"Rick Perry's a Christian. He's an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ," Jeffress said. "Mitt Romney's a good moral person, but he's not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity."

Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.

Perry's campaign said the Texas governor disagrees with Jeffress.

"The governor does not believe Mormonism is a cult," said spokesman Mark Miner.

Perry's campaign said that Values Voters Summit organizers, not the campaign, chose Jeffress to introduce the Texas governor. Perry's campaign did not immediately respond to inquiries about whether the governor had agreed to have Jeffress introduce him.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=17572070

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Actually, it was a Perry supporter who endorsed Perry at a Values Voters Summit, not Perry himself:

Yes, you're right: I saw where Perry enthusiastically took Jeffress (sp?) support at the VVS, including Jeffress walking around telling all the reporters that Mormonism is a cult at that very function, and no born-again Christian could vote for a cult - then Perry's campaign came out and said the Gov. doesn't think that.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1...ard?via=blog_1

Originally Posted by Riot

Which is a shame, because I admire Ron Paul (not Rand, not in the least, he's fake through and through) for his consistency of political view. If Ron ever stopped at the edge of the cliff, I'd consider voting for him, but unfortunately, over the years he's gone ahead and leaped off into crazy too many times for my support.

But I'd rather have Ron Paul and his views on issues on the national stage versus the Democrats than other of the current Republican candidates. He's the class of that poor field.

BTW, Perry attacked Mitt as a member of a religious cult today.

I agree with you about Paul. I'm wanting more of a left-libertarianism outlook on things. His tiptoeing around the abortion issue is for selfish reasons and he really needs to get over that God complex some of us were indoctrinated with.

At this point it doesn't matter. I truly believe we're headed for a total economic collapse far worse than the great depression. What rises from the ashes is anyone's guess but I AM WORRIED. It's just not looking good.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

At this point it doesn't matter. I truly believe we're headed for a total economic collapse far worse than the great depression. What rises from the ashes is anyone's guess but I AM WORRIED. It's just not looking good.

I agree with you. There was a piece awhile back comparing similarities between Rome at the end of its time as empire and the USA now (bloated military, foreign wars, etc) but I can't find it now.

I always enjoy your political posts, Coach, because I think you're very smart and I share your cynicism about a lot of things. And you're funny. My issue with Libertarianism is that, to me, it's one of those lines of thinking that depend on a belief that human beings are, at their core, honorable, and that given the chance, we'd all prefer to play on a level field. And I just don't think that's so. I think that, given the opportunity, most people who make it will gladly tilt the field and then pull the ladder up after themselves (apologies for the mixed metaphor). I think it's human nature.

I'm not saying the regulations we have now are the right ones, or even work well, largely because a lot of them are written by the very companies that are seeking to keep the ladder pulled up after them. It's one of the things that annoys me about Ayn Randites- a lot of them completely ignore that, in her magnum opus, one of the biggest villains was a crony capitalist, and that she would, were she around today, have huge contempt for the Jesus-heavy GOP- she hated Ronald Reagan- and the Wall Street/government relationship (yes, I confess; in my teens I read a lot of Ayn Rand. A lot). But even Rand had to compromise with the real world- she went on Medicare when she was older because she couldn't afford her medical bills. And she collected Social Security. And if real life could put a financial squeeze on her, what does it say about what it can do to the rest of us?

But I don't know what the solution is. I'm also really worried. We had a kid last year, and while he's the light and joy of my life, I sometimes wonder if bringing him into the world was a big mistake, because I don't have a lot of hope for what kind of a world he'll grow up into.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

My issue with Libertarianism is that, to me, it's one of those lines of thinking that depend on a belief that human beings are, at their core, honorable, and that given the chance, we'd all prefer to play on a level field. And I just don't think that's so.

I agree with that, regarding why Libertarianism doesn't seem to work in real life (although Ayn Rand's objectivism works pretty well when you rather think Wesley Mouch is Rush Limbaugh, Hank Reardon is more a Gates or Jobs or Buffett, and the hoardes are more the right wing evangelical types ).

I'm not saying the regulations we have now are the right ones, or even work well, largely because a lot of them are written by the very companies that are seeking to keep the ladder pulled up after them.

Additionally, we've removed pretty much all law enforcing human nature into a more equal playing field (hence the 2007-2008 crash).

Now Wall Street isn't about capitalizing strong sustainable business growth, it's about computer microtrading to get an extra cent out of trades. It's not about growing a strong business base and making money off that investment, it's about making money on the upswing or crashes, with no thoughts to the consequences of market direction.

When you have Wall Street firms taking the opposition market position than what they have sold to their customers, is anyone surprised at what our financial markets do? For god's sakes, these are the same people that wrapped up completely crap mortgage derivatives, lied and rated them AAA, then sold them to each other until the bottom fell out of that pyramid scheme.

But I don't know what the solution is. I'm also really worried. We had a kid last year, and while he's the light and joy of my life, I sometimes wonder if bringing him into the world was a big mistake, because I don't have a lot of hope for what kind of a world he'll grow up into.

Make sure everyone has a valid passport, because plenty of countries will be just fine if we go.

[clyde]

Jesus.....listening to Alex Jones isn't this funny.



It's no use, NTers..we're doomed.

Rioting at Walmarts nationwide ( as well as taking their greeters hostage)and shootings in the streets of despair.

Have little ones today---worry about it tomorrow.....boy is that one dumb.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I agree with you. There was a piece awhile back comparing similarities between Rome at the end of its time as empire and the USA now (bloated military, foreign wars, etc) but I can't find it now.

I had (or still have) a pdf that has a great comparison of both empires. I'll look for it.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I always enjoy your political posts, Coach, because I think you're very smart and I share your cynicism about a lot of things. And you're funny. My issue with Libertarianism is that, to me, it's one of those lines of thinking that depend on a belief that human beings are, at their core, honorable, and that given the chance, we'd all prefer to play on a level field. And I just don't think that's so. I think that, given the opportunity, most people who make it will gladly tilt the field and then pull the ladder up after themselves (apologies for the mixed metaphor). I think it's human nature.

I believe we're conditioned to be awful people. In some aspects we're still primates. Without stripping away hate, warfare, elitism, etc. we're never going to make it as a species.

I feel that about 80% of the population are followers. The other 19% consist of powerless critical thinkers that include a subset that are watching the 1% that are the elite globalist old money contingent.

If history has taught us anything is that these monsters in charge have little hesitation to put millions of lives at risk. All for more control, more land, more natural resources, more drugs, etc.

Libertarianism can work with proper tweaking. Diluting the power structure is key, IMHO. Social programs should be kept. All citizens should be well fed and educated. Foreign relations are nice but we cannot help others until we help ourselves.

Some may disagree but so be it. This country is near ruin.

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

I'm not saying the regulations we have now are the right ones, or even work well, largely because a lot of them are written by the very companies that are seeking to keep the ladder pulled up after them. It's one of the things that annoys me about Ayn Randites- a lot of them completely ignore that, in her magnum opus, one of the biggest villains was a crony capitalist, and that she would, were she around today, have huge contempt for the Jesus-heavy GOP- she hated Ronald Reagan- and the Wall Street/government relationship (yes, I confess; in my teens I read a lot of Ayn Rand. A lot). But even Rand had to compromise with the real world- she went on Medicare when she was older because she couldn't afford her medical bills. And she collected Social Security. And if real life could put a financial squeeze on her, what does it say about what it can do to the rest of us?

But I don't know what the solution is. I'm also really worried. We had a kid last year, and while he's the light and joy of my life, I sometimes wonder if bringing him into the world was a big mistake, because I don't have a lot of hope for what kind of a world he'll grow up into.

The focus needs to be primarily on the federal reserve, the 6 major banks, and why Goldman Sachs is balls deep in all 3 branches of the federal government.

Don't worry. Learn how to can food. Look into a generator and how to install one yourself. Protect it from an EMP attack. Get lots of rice and salt.

[clyde]

Guess who just bought huge into cans,generators,rice and salt companies.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

At this point it doesn't matter. I truly believe we're headed for a total economic collapse far worse than the great depression. What rises from the ashes is anyone's guess but I AM WORRIED. It's just not looking good.

I agree about the big worry. Right now, I think our future is in hands of Merkel, the World Bank, the IMF. And no, I'm not encouraged.