European Union Collapse Thread

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

Get the f.uck out of here with crowbarring the Koch brothers into the tea party movement.

Contrary to popular libtard belief the Tea Party was started by Ron Paul supporters. Not RINO's like Palin who have infiltrated the party and been the focus from the mainstream media who is falling over backwards to censor and push Paul aside.

It's not going to work. Get f.ucked.

You're cute when you're all fired up.

The Koch Brothers' Americans for Prosperity is a primary source of funding for a lot of these Tea Party rallies. I googled "Ron Paul started Tea Party" and there are indeed a lot of Ron Paul fans making the claim, so I won't dispute it. But, they claim it started in 2007, and I can't recall hearing anything about them in the mainstream media until early 2009 with that CNBC thing. So I would venture to say the Tea Party movement, if it was started by Ron Paul people, has since been purchased by the Koch brothers and the only reason it rose to national attention is that they financed it. And of course they aren't going to support Ron Paul; he opposes Defense spending.

Palin is better television than Paul. She's prettier, and she gives more entertaining sound bites. Of course the media is going to focus on her. It's the reason they're looking for anyone but Romney as the GOP hope- he's probably the most palatable to a general population, but he's boring TV.

EDIT: I should clarify- By "they" I mean the media.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The Koch Brothers' Americans for Prosperity is a primary source of funding for a lot of these Tea Party rallies.

Thank you. Everyone knows the Tea Party was immediately co-opted by two different GOP funding ops (Koch Brothers, Americans for Prosperity, etc.). Difference between "Tea Party Express" (Koch) vs. "Tea Party Patriots" (Amer. for Prosp), etc.

Agree that there were Paul people grass roots before that movement was co-opted and taken national by the GOP lobbyists. But everything in the past two years has been strict astroturf. The old folks that joined it with tricorn hats and dangling tea bags were used, pure and simple.

You are speaking from the mainstream media point of view. I assure you the Ron Paul sect is growing and still active. Whether the MSM Tards like it or not.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You are speaking from the mainstream media point of view. I assure you the Ron Paul sect is growing and still active. Whether the MSM Tards like it or not.

No, I'm speaking from the "the lobbyists said they did it" point of view.

The Ron Paul supporters have never had anything to do with the co-opted Republican Tea Party stuff, they have always been on their own. And yes, the Ron Paul guys had their own "Tea Party" before the GOP co-opted the meme from the Wall Street reporter on the floor of the exchange. The Ron Paul guys had it first, and have never been part of the GOP Angry American Tour for Cash and Votes.

This is Santilli's rant on TV, that started all those older white folks to jump on the wagon with their tricorn hats, and that is the movement that was co-opted by the Republican Party lobbyists ("Tea Party Patriots" and "Tea Party Express")

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHbjenBMLno

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQW4z...eature=related

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

You are speaking from the mainstream media point of view. I assure you the Ron Paul sect is growing and still active. Whether the MSM Tards like it or not.

The mainstream media point of view is the only one the vast majority of America sees, though.

The Ron Paul faction is never going to be any threat to the general GOP. They don't have the cash to take on the Koch Bros and they never will.

[jms62]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The mainstream media point of view is the only one the vast majority of America sees, though.

The Ron Paul faction is never going to be any threat to the general GOP. They don't have the cash to take on the Koch Bros and they never will.

What do the Cock Brothers want to accomplish? Do they want to be able to deal directly with Iran and cut out the middleman? Real ****in Patriots.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...eTIL_blog.html

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

The Ron Paul faction is never going to be any threat to the general GOP. They don't have the cash to take on the Koch Bros and they never will.

Which is a shame, because I admire Ron Paul (not Rand, not in the least, he's fake through and through) for his consistency of political view. If Ron ever stopped at the edge of the cliff, I'd consider voting for him, but unfortunately, over the years he's gone ahead and leaped off into crazy too many times for my support.

But I'd rather have Ron Paul and his views on issues on the national stage versus the Democrats than other of the current Republican candidates. He's the class of that poor field.

BTW, Perry attacked Mitt as a member of a religious cult today.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Riot

Which is a shame, because I admire Ron Paul (not Rand, not in the least, he's fake through and through) for his consistency of political view. If Ron ever stopped at the edge of the cliff, I'd consider voting for him, but unfortunately, over the years he's gone ahead and leaped off into crazy too many times for my support.

But I'd rather have Ron Paul and his views on issues on the national stage versus the Democrats than other of the current Republican candidates. He's the class of that poor field.

BTW, Perry attacked Mitt as a member of a religious cult today.

Actually, it was a Perry supporter who endorsed Perry at a Values Voters Summit, not Perry himself:

Robert Jeffress, senior pastor at First Baptist Church in Dallas, endorsed Perry at the Values Voters Summit, introducing him as "a proven leader, a true conservative, and a committed follower of Christ."

After his remarks, Jeffress told reporters that Perry's religion is different from Romney's.

"Rick Perry's a Christian. He's an evangelical Christian, a follower of Jesus Christ," Jeffress said. "Mitt Romney's a good moral person, but he's not a Christian. Mormonism is not Christianity. It has always been considered a cult by the mainstream of Christianity."

Romney is a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, whose members are commonly called Mormons.

Perry's campaign said the Texas governor disagrees with Jeffress.

"The governor does not believe Mormonism is a cult," said spokesman Mark Miner.

Perry's campaign said that Values Voters Summit organizers, not the campaign, chose Jeffress to introduce the Texas governor. Perry's campaign did not immediately respond to inquiries about whether the governor had agreed to have Jeffress introduce him.

http://www.ksl.com/?nid=157&sid=17572070

[Riot]

Originally Posted by GenuineRisk

Actually, it was a Perry supporter who endorsed Perry at a Values Voters Summit, not Perry himself:

Yes, you're right: I saw where Perry enthusiastically took Jeffress (sp?) support at the VVS, including Jeffress walking around telling all the reporters that Mormonism is a cult at that very function, and no born-again Christian could vote for a cult - then Perry's campaign came out and said the Gov. doesn't think that.



http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/1...ard?via=blog_1

Originally Posted by Riot

Which is a shame, because I admire Ron Paul (not Rand, not in the least, he's fake through and through) for his consistency of political view. If Ron ever stopped at the edge of the cliff, I'd consider voting for him, but unfortunately, over the years he's gone ahead and leaped off into crazy too many times for my support.

But I'd rather have Ron Paul and his views on issues on the national stage versus the Democrats than other of the current Republican candidates. He's the class of that poor field.

BTW, Perry attacked Mitt as a member of a religious cult today.

I agree with you about Paul. I'm wanting more of a left-libertarianism outlook on things. His tiptoeing around the abortion issue is for selfish reasons and he really needs to get over that God complex some of us were indoctrinated with.

At this point it doesn't matter. I truly believe we're headed for a total economic collapse far worse than the great depression. What rises from the ashes is anyone's guess but I AM WORRIED. It's just not looking good.

[GenuineRisk]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

At this point it doesn't matter. I truly believe we're headed for a total economic collapse far worse than the great depression. What rises from the ashes is anyone's guess but I AM WORRIED. It's just not looking good.

I agree with you. There was a piece awhile back comparing similarities between Rome at the end of its time as empire and the USA now (bloated military, foreign wars, etc) but I can't find it now.

I always enjoy your political posts, Coach, because I think you're very smart and I share your cynicism about a lot of things. And you're funny. My issue with Libertarianism is that, to me, it's one of those lines of thinking that depend on a belief that human beings are, at their core, honorable, and that given the chance, we'd all prefer to play on a level field. And I just don't think that's so. I think that, given the opportunity, most people who make it will gladly tilt the field and then pull the ladder up after themselves (apologies for the mixed metaphor). I think it's human nature.

I'm not saying the regulations we have now are the right ones, or even work well, largely because a lot of them are written by the very companies that are seeking to keep the ladder pulled up after them. It's one of the things that annoys me about Ayn Randites- a lot of them completely ignore that, in her magnum opus, one of the biggest villains was a crony capitalist, and that she would, were she around today, have huge contempt for the Jesus-heavy GOP- she hated Ronald Reagan- and the Wall Street/government relationship (yes, I confess; in my teens I read a lot of Ayn Rand. A lot). But even Rand had to compromise with the real world- she went on Medicare when she was older because she couldn't afford her medical bills. And she collected Social Security. And if real life could put a financial squeeze on her, what does it say about what it can do to the rest of us?

But I don't know what the solution is. I'm also really worried. We had a kid last year, and while he's the light and joy of my life, I sometimes wonder if bringing him into the world was a big mistake, because I don't have a lot of hope for what kind of a world he'll grow up into.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Coach Pants

At this point it doesn't matter. I truly believe we're headed for a total economic collapse far worse than the great depression. What rises from the ashes is anyone's guess but I AM WORRIED. It's just not looking good.

I agree about the big worry. Right now, I think our future is in hands of Merkel, the World Bank, the IMF. And no, I'm not encouraged.