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Old 09-19-2011, 02:44 PM
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common sense is the least common thing at the racetrack though. It's generally in short supply everywhere.
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Old 09-19-2011, 11:35 PM
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what a pathetic number from Finale, hope hes a better horse than that.
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Old 09-20-2011, 08:55 AM
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what a pathetic number from Finale, hope hes a better horse than that.
Yeah, those turf Beyers are the end all, be all.

What is so bad about a 2yo in September running an 80.
Some of the best older Horses in the country are only running around 100.
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Old 09-20-2011, 09:58 AM
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what a pathetic number from Finale, hope hes a better horse than that.
He's not.
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Old 09-22-2011, 12:45 AM
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I thought the purpose of the figures was to evaluate a performance, not necessarily how good the horse is that turns in that performance. Obviously, the biggest thing in this case is the races were on different days so they can't be compared accurately. It just always feels like the name of the horse and the level of the race is given too much weigh when it comes to making figures. When you are talking about other systems, ones where many factors (ie ground lost, weight, wind) are used, I can easily see why some races that might appear to have been the same based on final time would have different numbers. As far as I understand though, and I could be wrong, Beyer's don't take those things into consideration and are based strictly on final times and pars. With that in mind, two totally different classes of horses could run similar times in different races and receive the same figures without it meaning that the horses are of the same calibur. Races are run different. Paces are different. Field sizes are different. Many things lead to the final time.
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Old 09-22-2011, 10:19 AM
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The horse to want coming out of the Natalma is Stephanie's Kitten.
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Old 09-22-2011, 10:51 AM
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The horse to want coming out of the Natalma is Stephanie's Kitten.
Thanks Stevie.
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Old 09-22-2011, 06:15 PM
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Thanks Stevie.
Maybe Pat can become a quasi bloodstock agent like Vic and off this Kitten to Godolphin in time for the Carnival or maybe if not the Carnival the Big Apple Circus?
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