Weekend Stakes Beyers

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Do you think the Natalma winner would have been in a photo with Turallure and Courageous Cat?

Oh yeah thats what I am Saying Please

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Oh yeah thats what I am Saying Please

I think that's exactly what you are saying.

[Round Pen]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

I think that's exactly what you are saying.

It is not worth the Effort

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by Round Pen

Oh yeah thats what I am Saying Please

But it is what you are saying whether you specifically realize it or not. Questioning figures is good to do, but the questions you ask should be to yourself first, and the first one is the question I asked you. Since I would assume you don't believe she would have been in a photo with them, you then also realize why, despite the times, the figures are significantly different.

Common sense goes a long way towards answering most questions at the racetrack.

[Alabama Stakes]

common sense is the least common thing at the racetrack though. It's generally in short supply everywhere.

[Seattleallstar]

what a pathetic number from Finale, hope hes a better horse than that.

[VOL JACK]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

what a pathetic number from Finale, hope hes a better horse than that.

Yeah, those turf Beyers are the end all, be all.

What is so bad about a 2yo in September running an 80.
Some of the best older Horses in the country are only running around 100.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Seattleallstar

what a pathetic number from Finale, hope hes a better horse than that.

He's not.

[King Glorious]

I thought the purpose of the figures was to evaluate a performance, not necessarily how good the horse is that turns in that performance. Obviously, the biggest thing in this case is the races were on different days so they can't be compared accurately. It just always feels like the name of the horse and the level of the race is given too much weigh when it comes to making figures. When you are talking about other systems, ones where many factors (ie ground lost, weight, wind) are used, I can easily see why some races that might appear to have been the same based on final time would have different numbers. As far as I understand though, and I could be wrong, Beyer's don't take those things into consideration and are based strictly on final times and pars. With that in mind, two totally different classes of horses could run similar times in different races and receive the same figures without it meaning that the horses are of the same calibur. Races are run different. Paces are different. Field sizes are different. Many things lead to the final time.

[PatCummings]

The horse to want coming out of the Natalma is Stephanie's Kitten.