Frankel

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

By the way, did you even notice CC badly lugging out in the last 1/4 of the race?

What would you call that?

Would you say that that didn't hurt his chances?

Would you say that didn't affect his finish position, relative to the winner?

Or, are you trying to say that it didn't indicate that maybe something was wrong? That lugging/bearing out that strongly is completely meaningless?

In your post, you even say you understand about not jumping in and taking the time to analyze it, yet when two people do just that, they just are being grumpy old farts that don't want to legitimize a great horse.

You really outdo yourself sometimes.

Did you ever think he was lugging out because he knew he was soundly defeated and his will was destroyed.

[philcski]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Did you ever think he was lugging out because he knew he was soundly defeated and his will was destroyed.

horses don't lug out because they are beaten and their "will is destroyed."

They bear out because 1) don't like the whip, 2) are over the top and tired, or 3) are injured.

Now, I thought highly of the performance but the runner up didn't run his A+ race.

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by philcski

horses don't lug out because they are beaten and their "will is destroyed."

They bear out because 1) don't like the whip, 2) are over the top and tired, or 3) are injured.

Now, I thought highly of the performance but the runner up didn't run his A+ race.

How do you know?

He wasn't injured, he's not over the top. Only his third race of the season. And he's never shown a distain for the whip.

I suggest he was beat like he's never been beaten before and that effected him in a way that led to his lugging out. This is just a theory but it's as likely as any other that has been suggested here.

[OTM Al]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

How do you know?

He wasn't injured, he's not over the top. Only his third race of the season. And he's never shown a distain for the whip.

I suggest he was beat like he's never been beaten before and that effected him in a way that led to his lugging out. This is just a theory but it's as likely as any other that has been suggested here.

Please keep betting. We need more like you.

[Indian Charlie]

One more race for Frankel this year, the QE2 at Ascot in October, then he's to return as a 4yo.

No BC.

[Indian Charlie]

Oh, and Canford Cliffs is being aimed to the QE2 as well.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

One more race for Frankel this year, the QE2 at Ascot in October, then he's to return as a 4yo.

No BC.

Ducking. Can't blame them.

[brockguy]

Originally Posted by philcski

horses don't lug out because they are beaten and their "will is destroyed."

They bear out because 1) don't like the whip, 2) are over the top and tired, or 3) are injured.

Now, I thought highly of the performance but the runner up didn't run his A+ race.

Agree with the last statement Phil -

Canford has veered violently to his left before last year at Newbury and lugged to his right in the 2000 Guineas so it wasn't entirely surprising he did it but saying that, I'm hoping there isn't anything wrong and we can have a rematch in the QEII

[philcski]

Originally Posted by philcski

horses don't lug out because they are beaten and their "will is destroyed."

They bear out because 1) don't like the whip, 2) are over the top and tired, or 3) are injured.

Now, I thought highly of the performance but the runner up didn't run his A+ race.

I guess it was #3, unfortunately

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by philcski

I guess it was #3, unfortunately

The injury was surely caused by trying to keep up with a horse he was incapable of keeping up with. CC showed his class but it ultimately got him injured and retired.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

The injury was surely caused by trying to keep up with a horse he was incapable of keeping up with. CC showed his class but it ultimately got him injured and retired.

Heck yeah man! Every runnerup in grade 1 races injure themselves when they can't keep up with the winner!

[Mawhip]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Heck yeah man! Every runnerup in grade 1 races injure themselves when they can't keep up with the winner!

Certainly not every one but some do.

[hockey2315]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

The injury was surely caused by trying to keep up with a horse he was incapable of keeping up with. CC showed his class but it ultimately got him injured and retired.

Oh god. . . I was waiting for this one. Always a classic.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by hockey2315

Oh god. . . I was waiting for this one. Always a classic.

Hey man, you saw what happened to Eight Belles!

[Calzone Lord]

Originally Posted by Indian Charlie

Hey man, you saw what happened to Eight Belles!

Or Reavis....

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

The injury was surely caused by trying to keep up with a horse he was incapable of keeping up with. CC showed his class but it ultimately got him injured and retired.

or maybe he couldn't catch him or keep up because he got injured? this is almost as nonsensical as anyone saying he had his heart broken or his spirit crushed.

[TouchOfGrey]

Originally Posted by Mawhip

Did you ever think he was lugging out because he knew he was soundly defeated and his will was destroyed.