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What would you call that? Would you say that that didn't hurt his chances? Would you say that didn't affect his finish position, relative to the winner? Or, are you trying to say that it didn't indicate that maybe something was wrong? That lugging/bearing out that strongly is completely meaningless? In your post, you even say you understand about not jumping in and taking the time to analyze it, yet when two people do just that, they just are being grumpy old farts that don't want to legitimize a great horse. You really outdo yourself sometimes. |
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Did you ever think he was lugging out because he knew he was soundly defeated and his will was destroyed. |
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They bear out because 1) don't like the whip, 2) are over the top and tired, or 3) are injured. Now, I thought highly of the performance but the runner up didn't run his A+ race.
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How do you know? He wasn't injured, he's not over the top. Only his third race of the season. And he's never shown a distain for the whip. I suggest he was beat like he's never been beaten before and that effected him in a way that led to his lugging out. This is just a theory but it's as likely as any other that has been suggested here. |
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![]() One more race for Frankel this year, the QE2 at Ascot in October, then he's to return as a 4yo.
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![]() Oh, and Canford Cliffs is being aimed to the QE2 as well.
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![]() Ducking. Can't blame them.
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Agree with the last statement Phil - Canford has veered violently to his left before last year at Newbury and lugged to his right in the 2000 Guineas so it wasn't entirely surprising he did it but saying that, I'm hoping there isn't anything wrong and we can have a rematch in the QEII
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![]() I guess it was #3, unfortunately
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![]() The injury was surely caused by trying to keep up with a horse he was incapable of keeping up with. CC showed his class but it ultimately got him injured and retired.
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![]() Heck yeah man! Every runnerup in grade 1 races injure themselves when they can't keep up with the winner!
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![]() Certainly not every one but some do.
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![]() Oh god. . . I was waiting for this one. Always a classic.
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![]() Hey man, you saw what happened to Eight Belles!
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or maybe he couldn't catch him or keep up because he got injured? this is almost as nonsensical as anyone saying he had his heart broken or his spirit crushed. |
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What I said in the other post was that I do understand that it's always best not to jump to premature opinions without analyzing everything.....but that sometimes you see something that you don't need to spend weeks and years of analyzing the data. Sometimes, you just know what you see right when you see it. Things like Usain Bolt running a race, Albert Pujols at the plate, Michael Jordan with a basketball in his hands....you know greatness when you are watching it. I will agree with you that it takes a longer time, usually until a career is over to accurately try to place a horse's achievements in a historical perspective but I don't think it takes as long to recognize talent. You may believe that it's silly for people to say they think he's one of the great talents they've ever seen. That's a matter of opinion. For whatever it's worth, his trainer says he's the best he's seen and he's been around and had some pretty good ones in his care. In any event, just because some of us disagree with you doesn't mean we don't understand where you are coming from.
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The real horses of the year (1986-2020) Manila, Java Gold, Alysheba, Sunday Silence, Go for Wand, In Excess, Paseana, Kotashaan, Holy Bull, Cigar, Alphabet Soup, Formal Gold, Skip Away, Artax, Tiznow, Point Given, Azeri, Candy Ride, Smarty Jones, Ghostzapper, Invasor, Curlin, Zenyatta, Zenyatta, Goldikova, Havre de Grace, Wise Dan, Wise Dan, California Chrome, American Pharoah, Arrogate, Gun Runner, Accelerate, Maximum Security, Gamine |