WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Have you figured out, yet, why, in America:

In America everyone should be equally accountable for their own insurnace whatever the market dictates. To force someone to pay is a sin

You know 'do not covet thy neighbors' goods'

But getting back to unions.

Cook taxpayers owe $108 billion, county Treasurer Pappas says: Greg Hinz
Posted by Ann W. at 6/21/2011 9:44 AM CDT on Chicago Business

The average Chicago household now owes a staggering $63,525 to cover local government debt, according to Cook County Treasurer Maria Pappas.

Suburbanites are deeply in the red, too, with the average household owing $32,901, according to the treasurer.

Among the biggest reasons: $25 billion in unfunded pension liability.

Read more: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/secti...#ixzz1PxpR9sRt
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[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

In America everyone should be equally accountable for their own insurnace whatever the market dictates. To force someone to pay is a sin

No, paying your taxes is not a "sin". We as a country choosing to take care of each other is not a "sin" in the least. You think that's a sin?

You want be a member of this society, that is the price of admission you choose if you want to be an American and live in this country. You don't like this country, move elsewhere. You want to stay here, you have your say like every other citizen does. You don't like something the majority, as a democratic republic, decides to do, tough luck. Get over it or move out.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, paying your taxes is not a "sin". We as a country choosing to take care of each other is not a "sin" in the least. You think that's a sin?

You want be a member of this society, that is the price of admission you choose if you want to be an American and live in this country. You don't like this country, move elsewhere. You want to stay here, you have your say like every other citizen does. You don't like something the majority, as a democratic republic, decides to do, tough luck. Get over it or move out.

No paying taxes is not a sin. America needs an Armed Forces, a Judicial System / Prison System and about the tenth of oversight committees it currently has. What the government does not need any business in is healthcare, retirement planning and unemployment. All should be handled privately on an individual basis, with private insurance either paid by the individual, employer or a combo of both.

You want someone to pay to subsidize your healthcare? Move to Canada. BTW the majority wants Obamacare repealed so I can't understand your arguement and it is no longer current? Get over it or move north.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

What the government does not need any business in is healthcare, retirement planning and unemployment. All should be handled privately on an individual basis, with private insurance either paid by the individual, employer or a combo of both.

LOL - we, the government, started those programs: retirement safety net, unemployment insurance, healthcare reform - because the private systems were woefully inadequate and American citizens were suffering

BTW the majority wants Obamacare repealed ....

Nonsense. False. The majority think the few provisions in the insurance reform were inadequate, too little, and want more - including single payer.

Watch this (the whole thing): you agree with Rand Paul, I'd imagine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYgVglm2xFY

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. False. The majority think the few provisions in the insurance reform were inadequate, too little, and want more - including single payer.]

Just in case you want to cite something other than your imagination.

Forty four percent of voters believe the health reform law should be repealed compared with 38 percent who do not, demonstrating a persisting thumbs down for Obamacare even after its initial measures – like guaranteeing insurance for those with pre-existing conditions and keeping young adults on their parents policies – have been rolled out.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/201...care-repealed/

Voters continue to support repeal of the national health care law and feel the new law will be bad for the country.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 53% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, while 42% at least somewhat oppose it. Those figures include 38% who Strongly Favor repeal and 27% who are Strongly Opposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Support for repeal shows little change from a week ago. Most voters have supported repeal every week but one since Congress passed the law in March of last year, with that support running as high as 63%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

So deal with it

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So deal with it

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

I thought you said the majority of americans didn't want Obamacare repealed? You believed that what Dell said was nonsense or false. Obviously he supported that with facts. There will be 800,000+ jobs lost if Obamacare goes into effect. That should help improve the economy.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

So is the Governor of Wisconsin yet you seem to be wet in your pants for any recall elections, and you don't even have a vote.

Yet repeal of Obamacare that I demonstrated thru polls, is not a desire of the majority, is untouchable law?

Hypocrisy? Of course, deal with it!

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, paying your taxes is not a "sin". We as a country choosing to take care of each other is not a "sin" in the least. You think that's a sin?

You want be a member of this society, that is the price of admission you choose if you want to be an American and live in this country. You don't like this country, move elsewhere. You want to stay here, you have your say like every other citizen does. You don't like something the majority, as a democratic republic, decides to do, tough luck. Get over it or move out.

I dont remember choosing to "take care of each other"?

I wasn't aware that this was put to a vote of the people of America. I seem to remember it as being done by politicians.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Cannon Shell

I dont remember choosing to "take care of each other"?

I wasn't aware that this was put to a vote of the people of America. I seem to remember it as being done by politicians.

Oh, you don't know how that works? We elect politicians to represent us based upon what they promise to do for us? All the Republicans and Democrats that have promised us health care over the years - in addition to Social Security, Medicare, etc. ?

Yeah, that was all done against the continuing will of the majority of American people over the past decades

I'm still waiting to find out how the insurance industry will lose " 800,000+ jobs ", when they've already added an estimated 18 million to their insurance rolls, and will get up to 30 million new clients.