WI Union-busting provisions added in budget committee

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. False. The majority think the few provisions in the insurance reform were inadequate, too little, and want more - including single payer.]

Just in case you want to cite something other than your imagination.

Forty four percent of voters believe the health reform law should be repealed compared with 38 percent who do not, demonstrating a persisting thumbs down for Obamacare even after its initial measures – like guaranteeing insurance for those with pre-existing conditions and keeping young adults on their parents policies – have been rolled out.

http://www.whitehousedossier.com/201...care-repealed/

Voters continue to support repeal of the national health care law and feel the new law will be bad for the country.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that 53% of Likely Voters at least somewhat favor repeal of the health care law, while 42% at least somewhat oppose it. Those figures include 38% who Strongly Favor repeal and 27% who are Strongly Opposed. (To see survey question wording, click here.)

Support for repeal shows little change from a week ago. Most voters have supported repeal every week but one since Congress passed the law in March of last year, with that support running as high as 63%.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/publ...ealth_care_law

So deal with it

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So deal with it

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

I thought you said the majority of americans didn't want Obamacare repealed? You believed that what Dell said was nonsense or false. Obviously he supported that with facts. There will be 800,000+ jobs lost if Obamacare goes into effect. That should help improve the economy.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

I thought you said the majority of americans didn't want Obamacare repealed? You believed that what Dell said was nonsense or false. Obviously he supported that with facts.

If you look at the polls from January 2011 (Rassmussen, even), it's completely opposite. If you look at the poller, it changes with the way the question is asked. When you ask people if they want more (single payer) it's yes.

There will be 800,000+ jobs lost if Obamacare goes into effect. That should help improve the economy.

And your reference for that weirdness is? And btw, "Obamacare" is already in effect. It is in effect now, and has been for some time.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you look at the polls from January 2011 (Rassmussen, even), it's completely opposite. If you look at the poller, it changes with the way the question is asked. When you ask people if they want more (single payer) it's yes.



And your reference for that weirdness is? And btw, "Obamacare" is already in effect. It is in effect now, and has been for some time.

Most provisions do not go into effect until 2014

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Most provisions do not go into effect until 2014

What part of getting 30 million people better insurance and healthcare access is going to lose " 800,000+ " jobs?

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

What part of getting 30 million people better insurance and healthcare access is going to lose " 800,000+ " jobs?

What do you think is going to happen to all the people employed in the insurance industry? Estimates are that a minimum of 800,000 will lose their jobs if all the provisions go into effect by 2014. The insurance will not be better for most of us that already have decent insurance. The only reason you believe that is you are self employed and have to pay your own insurance. Having the government involved with something like your health is not a good thing. Have you ever dealt with a realtive on Medicare? The patients health is not what matters most

[Cannon Shell]

Originally Posted by Riot

If you look at the polls from January 2011 (Rassmussen, even), it's completely opposite. If you look at the poller, it changes with the way the question is asked. When you ask people if they want more (single payer) it's yes.



And your reference for that weirdness is? And btw, "Obamacare" is already in effect. It is in effect now, and has been for some time.

Was awfully hot today for January

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

It's not going to be repealed. It's the law. It's already in effect. So you deal with it

So is the Governor of Wisconsin yet you seem to be wet in your pants for any recall elections, and you don't even have a vote.

Yet repeal of Obamacare that I demonstrated thru polls, is not a desire of the majority, is untouchable law?

Hypocrisy? Of course, deal with it!

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

So is the Governor of Wisconsin yet you seem to be wet in your pants for any recall elections, and you don't even have a vote.

Yet repeal of Obamacare that I demonstrated thru polls, is not a desire of the majority, is untouchable law?

Hypocrisy? Of course, deal with it!

LOL - hardly.

The health care law repeal attempt was voted upon earlier this year, and already failed.

The recalls in Wisconsin may fail, too. Or may pass.

Both are moving along their legal, constitutional channels as the voters want.

Nothing hypocritical about that at all, is there?

Yes, I'll be sending more money to Wisconsin Democrats, to help their repeal efforts. Glad to do it

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

LOL - hardly.

The health care law repeal attempt was voted upon earlier this year, and already failed.

The recalls in Wisconsin may fail, too. Or may pass.

Both are moving along their legal, constitutional channels as the voters want.

Nothing hypocritical about that at all, is there?

Yes, I'll be sending more money to Wisconsin Democrats, to help their repeal efforts. Glad to do it

Glad your sending money to wi instead of paying for your own bum knee.

Obamacare is unconstititional and that's the difference.

[Riot]

The above title should read "allegedly", I guess.

Yeah, good thing this complete loser guy was elected to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Maybe he has dementia. First he announces to the world his purpose on the court will be to support the governor's agenda, now he's under investigation for assaulting another judge.

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. McCain, Prosser ...

Big long article with much detail here:

Wisconsin Supreme Court Justice David Prosser allegedly grabbed fellow Justice Ann Walsh Bradley around the neck in an argument in her chambers last week, according to at least three knowledgeable sources.

They say an argument that occurred before the court’s release of a decision upholding a bill to curtail the collective bargaining rights of public employees culminated in a physical altercation in the presence of other justices. Bradley purportedly asked Prosser to leave her office, whereupon Prosser grabbed Bradley by the neck with both hands.

In March, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel reported that, in a disagreement over a case last year, Justice Prosser had called Justice Abrahamson a “total bitch” and threatened to “destroy” her. Prosser, the paper reported, confirmed making the remarks, saying he “probably overreacted” while accusing Justices Abrahamson and Bradley of being “masters at deliberately goading people into perhaps incautious statements.”

Read more: http://host.madison.com/wsj/news/loc...#ixzz1QKDzZXwm

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. :

racist and bigot

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

The above title should read "allegedly", I guess.

Yeah, good thing this complete loser guy was elected to the Supreme Court in Wisconsin. Maybe he has dementia. First he announces to the world his purpose on the court will be to support the governor's agenda, now he's under investigation for assaulting another judge.

Old, angry white guys. It's sad. McCain, Prosser ...

Big long article with much detail here:

You should learn the other side to the Prosser story. I guess like Kloppenburg you are quick to judge without knowing the facts. If you read something other than a liberal paper you may actually get the story right. When all the facts come out it may be justice Ann Bradley or Abrahamson who could be under judicial review.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Glad your sending money to wi instead of paying for your own bum knee.

Sorry, Mr. Ignorant, I do both

[dellinger63]

Hats off again to Walker

MADISON, Wis. (AP) — Gov. Scott Walker will veto a part of the state budget that would have changed the way chewing tobacco products are taxed in the state.


Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie tells The Associated Press on Friday that Walker opposes the change put into the budget by the Legislature because it could lower the price of some tobacco products and make them more attractive to children.


Werwie released details of the veto to the AP in advance of Walker signing the budget and announcing other vetoes on Sunday.


The American Cancer Society and other groups lobbied Walker to veto the tax change, which would have taxed smokeless tobacco products based on their weight rather than a percentage of their price. The current price-based system ensures all such products are taxed equally.