If he wins - will they put him in the Hall of Fame?

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I thought OTB's in New York didn't start showing Southern Cal racing until the late 90's?

Not only did the good people of Erie have the full card So. Cal circuit races on our local cable station as early as 1992 (before racing on the Internet) ... but the Erie OTB also started taking full card on So. Cal - and about 20-to-25 other track as early as 1992 or 1993.

Either way ... it's not like Solis has improved any.

Your debating skills today rival those of Pippy.

Perhaps Hossy should award you the iron fist for debate skill?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I will never rival Pippy.

The following column describes the career of Alex Solis in a lot of ways ...

http://www.drf.com/news/chavez-deserves-new-nickname-0

However,

* Solis is not aggressive

* Gamblers hated him instead of loved him

* Solis never won a Kentucky Derby with a "smooth, flawless, tactical performance"

* Solis never won an Eclipse award for being the nations best rider for a full year.

Sadly - Solis did have a longer and more steady career on a tougher year-round circuit. He had far fewer peaks and valleys than Chavez. He was always that 5th to 12th best guy in the Jock's room. You know - the rider that you can often count on to screw one up - but still always look like a well polished pro while he's butchering a ride.


Of course - IC loves Solis because he beat the hell out of Nakatani after Nakatani pushed another jockey off a horse during the gallop-out.

[Indian Charlie]

I always liked Solis, relative to other jockeys, that is.

It's really not possible for me to 'love' a jockey. I guess the closest would be Pincay.

Being the go to guy for Mel Stute is hardly the same thing as being the go to guy for Frankel, Lukas, Baffert, etc.

All that aside, your tenaciousness on this topic certainly does rival Pippy's incessant belief that the other person is wrong.

He's the only person to ever outlast you in a horse argument.

Today, you are Pip.

Tell me you really don't think Chavez was better than Solis.

Who would you rather have on your horse?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

I wouldn't even consider either of them now. Chavez, in his day, was better though because he was a very good front-end rider and the greatest wet track jockey I've ever seen. He beat me countless times stealing races on the front at Gulfstream. He owned the old Gulfstream.

I never liked Solis on speed - hated him as a gate rider - and even though he has a reputation as a strong finisher who is good on deep closers .. I think he makes a lot of poorly timed wide moves.

They both have no business in the Hall of Fame.

Solis was never even a finalist for the Eclipse Award. Think about that for a second ... he's been established since 1984 ... and he never once was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in the voting points for best season by a jockey.

[Indian Charlie]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I wouldn't even consider either of them now. Chavez, in his day, was better though because he was a very good front-end rider and the greatest wet track jockey I've ever seen. He beat me countless times stealing races on the front at Gulfstream. He owned the old Gulfstream.

I never liked Solis on speed - hated him as a gate rider - and even though he has a reputation as a strong finisher who is good on deep closers .. I think he makes a lot of poorly timed wide moves.

They both have no business in the Hall of Fame.

Solis was never even a finalist for the Eclipse Award. Think about that for a second ... he's been established since 1984 ... and he never once was 1st, 2nd, or 3rd in the voting points for best season by a jockey.

Trivia question.

Who got voted HOY in 2010?