If he wins - will they put him in the Hall of Fame?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

L'Carriere wasn't as hopeless as you are making him out to be.

Yes - he was only 51/1 and probably should have been 5,000/1 in a fairly run race.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=8

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Yes - he was only 51/1 and probably should have been 5,000/1 in a fairly run race.

http://www.equibase.com/premium/eqbP...try=USA&race=8

Come on man. You're a really smart guy, but if I was you, I'd take a mulligan in this thread.

I was at Saratoga in 1995 when L'Carriere was 2nd to Unaccounted For (wnd choice in the Classic) in the Whitney. I was also there a few weeks later when he romped (with Bailey up) in the Saratoga Cup over Unaccounted For (not one of Pat Day's better rides). I was also there the following year when he defended his crown in the Saratoga Cup. He had great wet track breeding and ran his best races going 10 furlongs.

Like I said, he wasn't as hopeless as you're making him out to be. Did Justin Dew steal your login?

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Ok, whatever. I hope you boxed that exacta with Cigar and cleaned up.

I guess Chavez always sucked and Solis is some kind of dominant west coast jockey I've somehow massively underrated - while simultaniously overrating a half dozen to a dozen other guys in the same room - over all of these years.

My lying eyes and lying stats be damned.

I'm also going to take a stab and say that Chavez isn't a good rider anymore as a 50-year-old man because his riding style was by far the busiest I've ever seen from an accomplished jockey. Not being at peak fitness and health probably isn't as important when you just sit still and urge late.

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

Ok, whatever. I hope you boxed that exacta with Cigar and cleaned up.

I guess Chavez always sucked and Solis is some kind of dominant west coast jockey I've somehow massively underrated - while simultaniously overrating a half dozen to a dozen other guys in the same room - over all of these years.

My lying eyes and lying stats be damned.

I'm also going to take a stab and say that Chavez isn't a good rider anymore as a 50-year-old man because his riding style was by far the busiest I've ever seen from an accomplished jockey. Not being at peak fitness and health probably isn't as important when you just sit still and urge late.

I guess this is as close to admitting you were wrong as you'll get, so I'll take it.

I grew up watching Chavez ride, man. He was a very good rider back in the day and a terrific wet track rider. I never said he wasn't and it was common knowledge to anyone playing NY.

But stat wise, Solis has had a better career. That's it.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

Originally Posted by Dahoss

But stat wise, Solis has had a better career. That's it.

I guess we value different type of stats.

You must have respected the success of Fernando Jara, Shaun Bridgmohan, and Martin Garcia.

Chavez - on horseback - looked like a monkey trying to fucl< a football. Even as he's faded away - I still enjoy watching him from time to time. He was my Grandpa's favorite. He called him "The Dish Washer"

[Dahoss]

Originally Posted by The Indomitable DrugS

I guess we value different type of stats.

I laughed.

You put up 5 stats for Chavez. 3 of them had to do with him winning riding titles. Then, in your very next post you talked about how meaningless you thought riding titles were.

The other two stats you put up were him winning the eclipse and winning the Derby. You mentioned his ROI, but never posted it.

People get into the Hall of Fame because of wins and earnings, not ROI. Solis has had a better career than Borel and Chavez in both of those areas.

At this point, phuck them all.