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Old 04-04-2011, 02:10 PM
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...he's done well...
Yeah, I know he's dying of esophagul cancer.

BTW, we don't choose by default so much as the followers of religion do. It takes far more courage to swim against the stream of religious belief than it does to blindly accept one's forefathers thinking

But, I can't argue effectively the existence of God (nor can you, I imagine). I think the best any of us can do on discussion boards like this is to be civil, not use inflammatory rhetoric, and above all try to have some meaningful discourse with the other side. It's easy to come on here and talk up a storm with those who are in agreement with ourselves. What the world needs is for opposing sides of thought to work with each other, really listen, and perhaps have some influence

I was born and raised a Catholic. Now, the Pope, there is no defense of him or the Vatican. I hope you will agree with me there. The Catholic Church clearly is a safe haven for pedophiles. Ratzinger should be imprisoned for helping to cover up and continue widespread rape of children. Please tell me that you agree with this.

You need not join an organized religion to live an examined life

Being a free agent is preferred to living my life in fear of Big Brother (God) watching my every move, as well as persecuting me for my thoughts. What kind of loving god is that? What is your god that would have us burn in hell for eternity, merely for thinking the thoughts that he must have given us the instinct and impulses in the first place.

Walk away from your god of hate, Timmi
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Old 04-04-2011, 02:19 PM
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Yeah, I know he's dying of esophagul cancer.

BTW, we don't choose by default so much as the followers of religion do. It takes far more courage to swim against the stream of religious belief than it does to blindly accept one's forefathers thinking

But, I can't argue effectively the existence of God (nor can you, I imagine). I think the best any of us can do on discussion boards like this is to be civil, not use inflammatory rhetoric, and above all try to have some meaningful discourse with the other side. It's easy to come on here and talk up a storm with those who are in agreement with ourselves. What the world needs is for opposing sides of thought to work with each other, really listen, and perhaps have some influence

I was born and raised a Catholic. Now, the Pope, there is no defense of him or the Vatican. I hope you will agree with me there. The Catholic Church clearly is a safe haven for pedophiles. Ratzinger should be imprisoned for helping to cover up and continue widespread rape of children. Please tell me that you agree with this.

You need not join an organized religion to live an examined life

Being a free agent is preferred to living my life in fear of Big Brother (God) watching my every move, as well as persecuting me for my thoughts. What kind of loving god is that? What is your god that would have us burn in hell for eternity, merely for thinking the thoughts that he must have given us the instinct and impulses in the first place.

Walk away from your god of hate, Timmi
I agree with many of your points but I think it's unfair to catagorize the Christian god as a god of hate, don't confuse the message with some of the messengers. I was a Christian most of my life but the many rules and some theological concerns led me to Witchcraft. One thing we (witches) believe is that in reality, all the world's religions are worshiping the same supreme being using different names and constructs so all religions, if followed, lead to the devine.
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