Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Teacher works.
Teacher earns money.
Teacher gets paycheck.
That money belongs to the teacher.

Union dues come out of that paycheck.

Taxpayers thinking they have a right to say what union dues money is spent upon is ... beyond absurd. They have zero claim to that. Just like they have zero claim on the employee choosing to send $1 of their tax money to a wildlife fund.

Teachers are free agents. They have every right not to take a job where they have to join a teachers union. Private schools pay about 5% more in pay and benefits than Wisconsin public schools.

Trying to make the argument that union-busting is for the benefit of the employees is touching, but completely unbelievable

Although it is nice to see, now that the union has agreed to all Walkers demands regarding pension contribution, pay cut, etc., yet Walker is going forward with his main concern, being busting the unions (as verified by his unbelievable silliness in sharing his plan for threatening workers with the imaginary "David Koch") - that it's crystal clear the whole point of this has less to do with budget deficits (like maybe caused by Walker giving $140 million in unfunded tax credits to business, oh wow, that's a huge deficit hole that could be filled by ... teacher pensions and pay cuts! But the damn unions are standing in the way ... hummmmm) and everything to do with typical Republican demagogary.

Can you outline to me the demands that the teachers union has agreed to and please give me specifics?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Can you outline to me the demands that the teachers union has agreed to and please give me specifics?

Just read any detailed news reports, or view any video of the union leaders, from the past week not labeled "Fox". I'm sure you'd rather do your own investigative digging on this story, so you have the true facts, and not rely upon my interpretation relaying it to you :-)

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Just read any detailed news reports, or view any video of the union leaders, from the past week not labeled "Fox". I'm sure you'd rather do your own investigative digging on this story, so you have the true facts, and not rely upon my interpretation relaying it to you :-)

No I want to know from you specifically what demands of Scott Walker have the teachers union specifically agreed to? You seem to know so much about the topic and have so much information I want to know from you since you stated that the teachers union have agreed to his demands other than collective bargaining. What have they agreed to?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

No I want to know from you specifically what demands of Scott Walker have the teachers union specifically agreed to? You seem to know so much about the topic and have so much information I want to know from you since you stated that the teachers union have agreed to his demands other than collective bargaining. What have they agreed to?

Oh, then go read your own post back at the start of this thread, where you outlined them

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

Oh, then go read your own post back at the start of this thread, where you outlined them

Since you don't want to answer my first question I will try another one. What would be the reaction of the federal employees if President Obama proposed the same changes to federal employees that Scott Walker is proposing to WI state employees? Would there be as much outrage?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by wiphan

Since you don't want to answer my first question I will try another one. What would be the reaction of the federal employees if President Obama proposed the same changes to federal employees that Scott Walker is proposing to WI state employees? Would there be as much outrage?

I'm happy to answer your first question, except your deliberate and silly obtuseness is a waste of time - go read your own post where you accurately outlined what was in the Walker package regarding benefit and pension cuts. You know what they are. The unions have repeatedly, publicly agreed to those. They have agreed to everything but removal of collective bargaining rights. Walker refuses to compromise with them. He has stated so publicly when directly confronted by reporters asking about the union compromises.

Does it bother you, the other significant and important things hidden within that 144-page bill? That Walker is legally taking supervision and responsibility away from the legislature and consolidating them, without supervision, within the governors' office?

Such as the "emergency measures" regarding a new unilateral right of only himself to determine public aid qualifications, amounts paid outside the public or legislature?

The new singular ability of only himself to lease or sell, for whatever amount he wants, your state utility companies?

Do you think that is a good thing, that Walker is taking those activities away from current control by the legislature? That a Governor is trying to pass law to decrease the normal Legislative branch representation and control over major, expensive, important programs and income for your state, and place all of it, unsupervised and unaccountable, in the hands of one person who has to answer to no one else?

I'm shocked that everyone in Wisconsin, from any and all political persuasions, isn't angrily marching on the state capital and telling Walker he wasn't elected dictator, over the other secret hidden stuff, above, in that falsely alleged "fiscal" bill.

I'm sure if federal employees faced the sudden and complete loss of their right to collectively bargain, they'd behave exactly as union members in Wisconsin, Ohio and Indiana are acting right now.

[wiphan]

Originally Posted by Riot

I'm happy to answer your first question, except your deliberate and silly obtuseness is a waste of time - go read your own post where you accurately outlined what was in the Walker package regarding benefit and pension cuts. You know what they are. The unions have repeatedly, publicly agreed to those. They have agreed to everything but removal of collective bargaining rights. Walker refuses to compromise with them. He has stated so publicly.

I'm sure if federal employees faced the sudden and complete loss of their right to collectively bargain, they'd act exactly as union members in Wisconsin, Ohio and Indiana are acting right now.

Since federal employees don't have the right to collective bargain for wages, benefits, etc. they would be elated if they had the benefits Scott walker is proposing for state workers. If collective bargaining doesn't exist on the federal level why does it need to exist on the state level? Actually in Walker's proposal the union still has the right to collective bargain for wages. I don't see federal workers complaining about their jobs, benefits, heallthcare premiums, working conditions, etc.