Democracy In Egypt

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

are you kidding me? Where the F is the blame other than the US. Glad she'll be okay?
I'd bet she (Lara) would want to punch you in the face! Rather than worry about bashing muslims.

That post had no blame on the US for Lara's attack. Are you crazy? Try reading the next two posts I wrote to you, too. You know, where I said how horrific her attack was, that others were attacked too, that there was no excuse for her attackers, and again, that blaming all Muslim Egyptians for her attack is despicable.

Let's put this in really clear terms, Dell, so you won't continue to misunderstand and falsely represent what I think about this:

The attack on Lara Logan was terrible, horrific, and her attacker should suffer five times what she did, then be tortured to death. Yes, I'm very glad she'll be okay, in that the possibilities and closeness of that call were horrible, that she was rescued by Egyptians (who were probably Muslim!) and soldiers (who were probably Muslims, too!)

The attack is not representative of Egyptians, or Muslims, or Muslim Egyptians, or Christian Egyptians, or of democracy - it is representative of violent attackers. Violent attackers exist in democracy, too. The referral to Egyptians celebrating democracy by beating and rape was a despicable slam on all Egyptians.

Got it now, Dell? Now, if you want to continue to talk about this, tell me what you think about this op-ed. I posted it early in the thread. It's titled, "What not to say about Lara Logan".

http://www.salon.com/news/media_crit..._rape_reaction

I know you will click and read the whole thing, but here is an excerpt:

Here’s what you do say when something like this happens. Like countless women around the world, Lara Logan was attacked in the line of duty. She was assaulted doing her job. It was a crime of unspeakable violence. And your opinion of how she does that job, the religion her assailants share with a few million other people, or the color of her hair has nothing to do with it.

UPDATE: After an overwhelmingly negative reaction to his tweets, Nir Rosen has resigned his post at N.Y.U.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

That post had no blame on the US for Lara's attack. Are you crazy? Try reading the next two posts I wrote to you, too. You know, where I said how horrific her attack was, that others were attacked too, that there was no excuse for her attackers, and again, that blaming all Muslim Egyptians for her attack is despicable.

You probably should have started with the next two posts and then told us how it happens here.

When you said "Yeah, that's never happened in the United States, women getting attacked and raped after football celebrations, during street parades/parties, etc."
I took that as it's so common here why even mention it there.

You know because in America it happens at more than just protests. Coupled with glad she'll be OK? That is despicable!

BTW A Bright Side Note for you: This is what the GOP would call 'forcible rape' and thank the lord she'd be exempt from the right to life christians and be afforded a Federal funded abortion provided she was under that care plan.

I figured that mignt be one of your worries.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

You probably should have started with the next two posts and then told us how it happens here.

When you said "Yeah, that's never happened in the United States, women getting attacked and raped after football celebrations, during street parades/parties, etc."
I took that as it's so common here why even mention it there.

You know because in America it happens at more than just protests. Coupled with glad she'll be OK? That is despicable!

BTW A Bright Side Note for you: This is what the GOP would call 'forcible rape' and thank the lord she'd be exempt from the right to life christians and be afforded a Federal funded abortion provided she was under that care plan.

I figured that mignt be one of your worries.

You want to continue to argue things you clearly know, because you've been told multiple times I didn't mean?

And you just choose to totally ignore the rest of my post?



Guess I'll just repeat it for you. Maybe you didn't read it?

Let's put this in really clear terms, Dell, so you won't continue to misunderstand and falsely represent what I think about this:

The attack on Lara Logan was terrible, horrific, and her attacker should suffer five times what she did, then be tortured to death. Yes, I'm very glad she'll be okay, in that the possibilities and closeness of that call were horrible, that she was rescued by Egyptians (who were probably Muslim!) and soldiers (who were probably Muslims, too!)

The attack is not representative of Egyptians, or Muslims, or Muslim Egyptians, or Christian Egyptians, or of democracy - it is representative of violent attackers. Violent attackers exist in democracy, too. The referral to Egyptians celebrating democracy by beating and rape was a despicable slam on all Egyptians.

Got it now, Dell? Now, if you want to continue to talk about this, tell me what you think about this op-ed. I posted it early in the thread. It's titled, "What not to say about Lara Logan".

http://www.salon.com/news/media_crit..._rape_reaction

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You want to continue to argue things you clearly know, because you've been told multiple times I didn't mean?

And you just choose to totally ignore the rest of my post?



Guess I'll just repeat it for you. Maybe you didn't read it?

Let's put this in really clear terms, Dell, so you won't continue to misunderstand and falsely represent what I think about this:

Got it now, Dell? Now, if you want to continue to talk about this, tell me what you think about this op-ed. I posted it early in the thread. It's titled, "What not to say about Lara Logan".

http://www.salon.com/news/media_crit..._rape_reaction

Much better but I think you have to be a salon premier member or something? Would definately read it. A book called Big Girls Don't Cry was a popup though.

What do you think of the Muslim Brotherhood founder? "Qaradawi advocates establishing a "United Muslim Nations" as a contemporary form of the caliphate and the only alternative to the hegemony of the West. He hates Israel and would love to take up arms himself. In one of his sermons, he asked God "to kill the Jewish Zionists, every last one of them."

In January 2009, he said: "Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by [Adolf] Hitler." And I know he's not representative of all Egyptians but as Muslim Brotherhood founder?

Doesn't sound very friendly

[Riot]

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

Much better but I think you have to be a salon premier member or something? Would definately read it.

Nope. I'm not a member of that site. I found that op-ed on a click from somewhere else. Just click here:

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/t...ion/index.html

What do you think of the Muslim Brotherhood founder**?

That's over in another thread entitled "Muslim Brotherhood", right? I'll comment there if I want to.

(**technical point - not the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood)

[dellinger63]

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Nope. I'm not a member of that site. I found that op-ed on a click from somewhere else. Just click here:

http://www.salon.com/entertainment/t...ion/index.html


That's over in another thread entitled "Muslim Brotherhood", right? I'll comment there if I want to.

(**technical point - not the founder of the Muslim Brotherhood)

Got it and the comments made in the Salon article until the very end are sickening, even more sickening than your 'glad she'll be all right' statement I'll grant you that.

And ** you are right he is not the founder he is Qaradawi 'the father figure of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood,' the country's best-organized opposition group.

and Qaradawi hates Israel and would love to take up arms himself. In one of his sermons, he asked God "to kill the Jewish Zionists, every last one of them."

In January 2009, he said: "Throughout history, Allah has imposed upon the [Jews] people who would punish them for their corruption. The last punishment was carried out by [Adolf] Hitler."

I take it by your silence you have no opinion or at least would like to keep it to yourself. Guess it would be kind of hard to an embrace a revolution while the father figure of the participants is asking God "to kill the Jewish Zionists, every last one of them."

Yea this guy sounds real peaceful and he's 84 f'n years old so he would have beeen expected to have mellowed a bit since his younger days. Must have been one crazy m-f'r in his 20-30's.

http://turtlebay.foreignpolicy.com/p...curity_council

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Originally Posted by dellinger63

I take it by your silence you have no opinion or at least would like to keep it to yourself.

Oh, no, I've always had an opinion on Qaradawi. There's reasons he's not allowed in our country.

It's just that talking to you about "Muslims! Look Out!" is a completely futile exercise in truth or logic.