Greatest Living Racehorse?

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Point is that Roses in May and horses of his ilk would always be a thorn in Ghostzapper's side, at least when it came to classic distances.

Doesn't their one matchup against each other refute that argument a bit?

[ateamstupid]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Doesn't there one matchup against each other refute that argument a bit?

Don't you get it? The race was fixed so that Roses in May wouldn't pressure Ghostzapper early. Otherwise he totally would've run GZ into the ground.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Don't you get it? The race was fixed so that Roses in May wouldn't pressure Ghostzapper early. Otherwise he totally would've run GZ into the ground.

The point you made earlier in the thread is really the key.
Different people are going to define "greatness" differently.

If people want to call Cigar the greatest alive today....fine. I think they can make a good argument for that. Personally I would go with Ghostzapper, but for people who favor accomplishments far above brilliance, the choice of Cigar makes sense. That doesn't bother me.

The only thing that bothers me is when certain people say things on this thread like there is "absolutely, positively, no question" Cigar is the best. Umm....yeah there is.

[Clip-Clop]

Originally Posted by ateamstupid

Don't you get it? The race was fixed so that Roses in May wouldn't pressure Ghostzapper early. Otherwise he totally would've run GZ into the ground.

I just watched that again, what a great field that was. Azeri ran huge too. Looked like a bit of pressure to me from RIM.

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Doesn't there one matchup against each other refute that argument a bit?

Not if you lend any credence to the story that Bobby Frankel persuaded the Roses In May team to avoid a speed duel between the two, turning the Classic into basically a merry-go-round race.

[miraja2]

Originally Posted by RolloTomasi

Not if you lend any credence to the story that Bobby Frankel persuaded the Roses In May team to avoid a speed duel between the two, turning the Classic into basically a merry-go-round race.

Why would they have needed persuading on that matter? Did the connections think that Roses in May would have somehow benefitted from such a battle before Frankel talked them out of it? That doesn't make any sense at all.
It seems pretty obvious that those two battling it out on the front end would most likely have only benefitted Pleasantly Perfect and/or Birdstone.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why would they have needed persuading on that matter? Did the connections think that Roses in May would have somehow benefitted from such a battle before Frankel talked them out of it? That doesn't make any sense at all.
It seems pretty obvious that those two battling it out on the front end would most likely have only benefitted Pleasantly Perfect and Birdstone.

which was what i understood was the gist of the conversation all along. supposedly ramsey was told that if he tried to duel gz, neither would win. if he didn't, one of them would.. essentially what happened. now, whether ramsey had to have that explained to him or not-well, who knows?!?!

[RolloTomasi]

Originally Posted by miraja2

Why would they have needed persuading on that matter? Did the connections think that Roses in May would have somehow benefitted from such a battle before Frankel talked them out of it? That doesn't make any sense at all.
It seems pretty obvious that those two battling it out on the front end would most likely have only benefitted Pleasantly Perfect and Birdstone.

That's true, however, Ghostzapper and Roses In May were not entry mates, either. Roses In May for all intents and purposes was a confirmed front runner. If the Whitney and Woodward were any indication, both horses could have conceivably gone a lot faster in a more competitively run race.

Ghostzapper drew the rail, and 99.9% of the time would have most likely suffered for it, but Frankel was able to secure a free pass.