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[Riot]

Doreen thinks:

Or that Muslim Americans and all Muslims are the same as radical Islam/terrorists?[/

Ah. Then I'll put you clearly into the religious bigot category.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doreen thinks:


Ah. Then I'll put you clearly into the religious bigot category.

That is patently unfair and untrue. Just because I don't fall into lock step with what you believe does not make me a bigot, and I resent such an accusation. You are not the owner of all the answers.

Shariah Law is everything to all Muslims - it is not just a belief, it is a way of life, and it is their politics. There are terrorists and there are moderates; HOWEVER, their agenda and goal is worldwide domination.

There is a lengthy white paper report on the subject that I suggest you take the time to read if the Stealth Jihad article was not to your liking.

http://europenews.dk/files/Shariah%2...2009142010.pdf

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

That is patently unfair and untrue. Just because I don't fall into lock step with what you believe does not make me a bigot, and I resent such an accusation. You are not the owner of all the answers.

Shariah Law is everything to all Muslims - it is not just a belief, it is a way of life, and it is their politics. There are terrorists and there are moderates; HOWEVER, their agenda and goal is worldwide domination.

There is a lengthy white paper report on the subject that I suggest you take the time to read if the Stealth Jihad article was not to your liking.

http://europenews.dk/files/Shariah%2...2009142010.pdf

You go girl. Next Riot will call you a hateful person.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Next Riot will call you a hateful person.

She already implied as much by calling me a religious bigot.

[Riot]

Shariah Law is everything to all Muslims - it is not just a belief, it is a way of life, and it is their politics. There are terrorists and there are moderates; HOWEVER, their agenda and goal is worldwide domination.

Nonsense. Muslims no more want to "dominate the world" than Jews or Christians. The vast majority of Muslims, and Muslim leaders, don't take a literal interpretation of the Quran, and have clearly stated and acted so. Exactly as the vast majority of Christians disregard the violence and literal nonsense in their bible.

The "worldwide domination" and "stealth Jihad" crap is fear mongering intolerance and ignorance of this entire religion plain and clear. Good luck with that. The rest of us don't have to tolerate it, however. This country was founded on religious freedom and tolerance, and doesn't abide - nor does it have to - by those with no respect for the freedom of one's fellow Americans, or the Constitution.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nonsense. Muslims no more want to "dominate the world" than Jews or Christians. The vast majority of Muslims, and Muslim leaders, don't take a literal interpretation of the Quran, and have clearly stated and acted so. Exactly as the vast majority of Christians disregard the violence and literal nonsense in their bible.

The "worldwide domination" and "stealth Jihad" crap is fear mongering intolerance and ignorance of this entire religion plain and clear. Good luck with that. The rest of us don't have to tolerate it, however. This country was founded on religious freedom and tolerance, and doesn't abide - nor does it have to - by those with no respect for the freedom of one's fellow Americans, or the Constitution.

"The rest of us" pay heed to the warning signals.

And, just where in anything I have said am I denying religious freedom to anyone. Honestly, Riot, you do turn ugly when someone disagrees with you.

[GBBob]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

"The rest of us" pay heed to the warning signals.

And, just where in anything I have said am I denying religious freedom to anyone. Honestly, Riot, you do turn ugly when someone disagrees with you.

Half of the people who post here (Politics) turn ugly when they are disagreed with...admit it. Randall's calling people morons who don't agree with his econ stuff, NASCAR..well..enough said, etc, etc.

[Nascar1966]

Originally Posted by GBBob

Half of the people who post here (Politics) turn ugly when they are disagreed with...admit it. Randall's calling people morons who don't agree with his econ stuff, NASCAR..well..enough said, etc, etc.

Thats ok with me. Im not the one who thinks they are right all the time.

[Danzig]

Originally Posted by Nascar1966

Thats ok with me. Im not the one who thinks they are right all the time.

lmao
self awareness isn't your strong suit, is it?

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

"The rest of us" pay heed to the warning signals.

And, just where in anything I have said am I denying religious freedom to anyone. Honestly, Riot, you do turn ugly when someone disagrees with you.

Nice try. It's not about me - it's about how YOU are seen treating our fellow Americans. YOU indeed turn ugly when it comes to discussing Muslims. YOU have no respect or tolerance for their religion. YOU are calling your fellow Americans terrorists and extremists. YOU are labeling billions of people, from across the world, with different beliefs, into one narrow category of terrorist and extremist.

But that fits into the current neocon mindset of fear: at CPAC the religious leaders called for tolerance, but here's how the conference finished with that crazy ex-Col. West yammering on:

The South Florida Republican blasted the health care law, said the U.S. has to strengthen its foreign policy and get out of the way of the private sector, accused China of using capitalism "as a weapon against us," and warned about allowing multiculturalism to "grow on steroids" and overshadow "definitive American culture."

"Definitive American culture" is proudly a melting pot. Not bigotry and intolerance, and a war on "multiculturalism". And Muslims.

[Princess Doreen]

Originally Posted by Riot

Nice try. It's not about me - it's about how YOU are seen treating our fellow Americans. YOU indeed turn ugly when it comes to discussing Muslims. YOU have no respect or tolerance for their religion. YOU are calling your fellow Americans terrorists and extremists. YOU are labeling billions of people, from across the world, with different beliefs, into one narrow category of terrorist and extremist.

But that fits into the current neocon mindset of fear: at CPAC the religious leaders called for tolerance, but here's how the conference finished with that crazy ex-Col. West yammering on:

"Definitive American culture" is proudly a melting pot. Not bigotry and intolerance, and a war on "multiculturalism". And Muslims.

You have neither read nor processed one word of what I wrote. I am not calling every Muslim an extremist or a terrorist. I am saying that worldwide domination is the ultimate agenda of Islam, and it just doesn't entail religion. It's a way of life, politics, economy, and zero tolerance for anyone else's way of life. This needn't be accomplished by terroristic means but by stealth and propagation of the faith and moving into many countries around the world where a political foothold can be achieved.

To borrow a phrase from you, "Get a clue."

Great book.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2140135/posts

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Princess Doreen

You have neither read nor processed one word of what I wrote. I am not calling every Muslim an extremist or a terrorist. I am saying that worldwide domination is the ultimate agenda of Islam, and it just doesn't entail religion. It's a way of life, politics, economy, and zero tolerance for anyone else's way of life. This needn't be accomplished by terroristic means but by stealth and propagation of the faith and moving into many countries around the world where a political foothold can be achieved.

To borrow a phrase from you, "Get a clue."

No, I don't buy your argument, it's absurd and unsupported by reality. That's how I've "processed" it.

Here's your clue: I'm sick of the whole bigoted Muslim hate thing going on in America. It's appalling, shameful and stupid, and shouldn't be tolerated. It makes our country look ignorant. Radical Islam or terrorists are different, and must be struck down. Islam even agrees with that.

Your accusing every Muslim in the world of "stealth Jihad" and the goal of "worldwide domination" flys in the face of what Muslim leaders, and Muslims themselves, throughout the world have written and taught within this religion.

It's religious bigotry, pure and simple. No matter how anybody tries to justify it. Hitler did a damn good job of justifying why Jews should be persecuted, too.

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Doreen thinks:


Ah. Then I'll put you clearly into the religious bigot category.

So you think a religion that treats women as poorly as the Muslim religion does is a good one?

Its probably the worst religion going... though they all have major issues.

[Antitrust32]

Disclaimer so I'm not thought to be a bigot:

The only Muslims that I hate are the 100,000,000 Muslims that support a radical version of Islam and support the jihad.

I dont have a problem with the other 900,000,000, as long as they treat a woman they same as they treat a man.

With that said, it is not a good book at all though.

But I feel that the Old testiment is a bad book also... right up there with the Quran.

[Riot]

Disclaimer so I'm not thought to be a bigot:

The only Muslims that I hate are the 100,000,000 Muslims that support a radical version of Islam and support the jihad.

Can you explain how you arrived at the figure of 100,000,000?

[Antitrust32]

Originally Posted by Riot

Can you explain how you arrived at the figure of 100,000,000?

through research. I've posted all sorts of research on it in another thread months back. You are welcome to look for it, I dont have the time right now.

it is certainly not a number that I just pulled out of my ass.. and it may not be a 100% correct number, but it is right around the correct #.

I should write APPROX 100,000,000 Muslims.

[Riot]

Originally Posted by Antitrust32

So you think a religion that treats women as poorly as the Muslim religion does is a good one?

Its probably the worst religion going... though they all have major issues.

No, I don't think a religion that treats women poorly is a good one - like how some Christians dictate what a woman can do with her body. But that has absolutely nothing to do with the post you quoted. A more telling relationship would be you thinking that all Muslims treat women poorly. That's pretty right on. You're in the category, too.

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

No, I don't think a religion that treats women poorly is a good one - like how some Christians dictate what a woman can do with her body. You're in the category, too.

Your comparison between the treatment of muslim women and christians dictating what a woman does with her body is very telling. Those christians (you speak of) feel as though abortion is murder and their religion tells them so. Believe it or not their motivation is not in controlling women but preserving a life. Personally I think they should be responsible for themselves but can understand them not wanting their money to be used in what they consider a murder. Unlike their muslim counterpart they are not trying to tell a woman she can't date, drive, who to marry, how to dress, where they can go and who they can talk to. They also don't kill their daughters to preserve their honor and certainly don't circumcise their little girls. Though some Christians admittedly do insist on marrying a virgin.

But yea I see how you think they are similar

[Riot]

Originally Posted by dellinger63

Your comparison between the treatment of muslim women and christians dictating what a woman does with her body is very telling. Those christians (you speak of) feel as though abortion is murder and their religion tells them so. Believe it or not their motivation is not in controlling women but preserving a life. Personally I think they should be responsible for themselves but can understand them not wanting their money to be used in what they consider a muder. Unlike their muslim counterpart they are not trying to tell a woman she can't date, drive, who to marry, how to dress, where they can go and who they can talk to. They also don't kill their daughters to preserve their honor and certainly don't circumcise their little girls. Though some Christians admittedly do insist on marrying a virgin.

But yea I see how you think they are similar

You didn't understand what I said. Again.

My comparison was that I think all religions put strange controls on their adherents, and some in all religions use their religion to treat women poorly.

My comparison was not that I think what some Muslims and what some Christians do are similar or equal in "badness", it was not a comparison of relative requirements between two different religions.

Unlike their muslim counterpart they are not trying to tell a woman she can't date, drive, who to marry, how to dress, where they can go and who they can talk to. They also don't kill their daughters to preserve their honor and certainly don't circumcise their little girls.

I assume you are aware that millions and millions and millions of Muslims do not do that? That much of what you list is extreme and not followed by the majority? That what you list is not representative of most of Islam?

And Dell, when you take a quote I make, and you cut out the middle, it is courtesy that you indicate to other readers that you have taken two separate sentences and strung them together randomly, with you changing the meaning of what I've said, because you've left out whole sentences.

Like this:
"No, I don't think a religion that treats women poorly is a good one - like how some Christians dictate what a woman can do with her body." [snip] "You're in the category, too."

[dellinger63]

Originally Posted by Riot

You didn't understand what I said. Again.

My comparison was that I think all religions put strange controls on their adherents, and some in all religions use their religion to treat women poorly.

My comparison was not that I think what some Muslims and what some Christians do are similar or equal in "badness", it was not a comparison of relative requirements between two different religions.

the comparison was similar to a drop of water in my sink and the Pacific Ocean. It made little sense and was obviously used to bash christians and that has become sort of a theme for you recently.