What Horses are not in the Hall of Fame you think should be?

[blackthroatedwind]

Anybody that saw Jean Cruget ride would find the suggestion, a serious one that is, that he belongs in the Hall of Fame, to be beyond laughable.

Two words.....Flying Water.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Anybody that saw Jean Cruget ride would find the suggestion, a serious one that is, that he belongs in the Hall of Fame, to be beyond laughable.

Two words.....Flying Water.

hmmm Seattle Slew is two words that come to mind

http://www.examiner.com/x-43823-Lexi...ll-of-Fame-nod

Heres a nice article about Cruguet getting in also

[blackthroatedwind]

Yes, Seattle Slew was an amazing horse for doing what he did with Cruget on his back.

Finally the connections had enough and got Cordero.

[cmorioles]

Dyever and Dollar Bill.

[The Indomitable DrugS]

No love for Sun King?

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by cmorioles

Dyever and Dollar Bill.

I assumed they were both already in. Surely Dynever deserves his own wing.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Yes, Seattle Slew was an amazing horse for doing what he did with Cruget on his back.

Finally the connections had enough and got Cordero.

Major Racing Wins (Jean Cruguet)

United States Triple Crown (1977)
Travers Stakes (1968)
Lawrence Realization Stakes (1969, 1970, 1975, 1978)
Metropolitan Handicap (1969)
Toboggan Handicap (1969)
Cowdin Stakes (1970)
Laurel Futurity (1970)
Manhattan Handicap (1974)
Stuyvesant Handicap (1974)
Alabama Stakes (1975, 1983)
Hopeful Stakes (1975, 1976)
Champagne Stakes (1976)
Mother Goose Stakes (1976, 1977)
Flamingo Stakes (1977)
Wood Memorial Stakes (1977, 1984)
Futurity Stakes (1978)
Washington, D.C. International (1978, 1993)
Jerome Handicap (1979)
Ladies Handicap (1979)
Saranac Handicap (1979)
Withers Stakes (1979)
Blue Grass Stakes (1983)
Tremont Stakes (1983)
Coaching Club American Oaks (1984)
Dwyer Stakes (1984)
Knickerbocker Handicap (1985, 1986, 1988, 1992)
Matron Stakes (1986)
American Classic Race wins:

Kentucky Derby (1977)
Preakness Stakes (1977)
Belmont Stakes (1977)
International Race wins

Prix Vermeille (1972)
Poule d'Essai des Pouliches (1972)
Champion Stakes (1973)
Canadian International Stakes (1978, 1989)
Significant Horses

Arts and Letters, Hoist The Flag, San San, Bold Reason, Seattle Slew


Man all those horses he won these races with must of been world beaters seeing they had a rock on their back like Cruguet.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Major Racing Wins

United States Triple Crown (1977)
Travers Stakes (1968)
Lawrence Realization Stakes (1969, 1970, 1975, 1978)
Metropolitan Handicap (1969)
Toboggan Handicap (1969)
Cowdin Stakes (1970)
Laurel Futurity (1970)
Manhattan Handicap (1974)
Stuyvesant Handicap (1974)
Alabama Stakes (1975, 1983)
Hopeful Stakes (1975, 1976)
Champagne Stakes (1976)
Mother Goose Stakes (1976, 1977)
Flamingo Stakes (1977)
Wood Memorial Stakes (1977, 1984)
Futurity Stakes (1978)
Washington, D.C. International (1978, 1993)
Jerome Handicap (1979)
Ladies Handicap (1979)
Saranac Handicap (1979)
Withers Stakes (1979)
Blue Grass Stakes (1983)
Tremont Stakes (1983)
Coaching Club American Oaks (1984)
Dwyer Stakes (1984)
Knickerbocker Handicap (1985, 1986, 1988, 1992)
Matron Stakes (1986)
American Classic Race wins:

Kentucky Derby (1977)
Preakness Stakes (1977)
Belmont Stakes (1977)
International Race wins

Prix Vermeille (1972)
Poule d'Essai des Pouliches (1972)
Champion Stakes (1973)
Canadian International Stakes (1978, 1989)
Significant Horses

Arts and Letters, Hoist The Flag, San San, Bold Reason, Seattle Slew

Now look at the list WITHOUT Cruguet's name attached to it and tell me that isnt a hall of fame career

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Now look at the list WITHOUT Cruguet's name attached to it and tell me that isnt a hall of fame career

OK.....it's isn't a Hall of Fame career. In fact, it isn't even close.

[Thunder Gulch]

Originally Posted by Cardus

I was a big fan of Lemon Drop Kid, but I don't think that he belongs in the Hall of Fame.

Very good, but no way he's HOF, and that's without stirring the pot by calling him a New York specialist.

[blackthroatedwind]

Of course Lemon Drop Kid doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. But, lumping him with Cruget sort of covered up his lack of merit.

To further Cruget's merits....he was 0 for 90 something at Gulfstream in 1994. Look it up.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

Of course Lemon Drop Kid doesn't belong in the Hall of Fame. But, lumping him with Cruget sort of covered up his lack of merit.

To further Cruget's merits....he was 0 for 90 something at Gulfstream in 1994. Look it up.

Cruguet retired from racing in '89, in '94 we would of been talking about a 55yr old Cruguet. He won a G1 race in Canada at 50. The twilight of Cruguet riding career was less than stellar, we can all agree on that. But in his prime,60s-70s, he was a top jock in 2 different countries. Won all the major stakes in the states and even has a triple crown under his belt. There are jocks with far less credentials in the hall as we speak.

[blackthroatedwind]

Originally Posted by kgar311

Cruguet retired from racing in '89, in '94 we would of been talking about a 55yr old Cruguet. He won a G1 race in Canada at 50. The twilight of Cruguet riding career was less than stellar, we can all agree on that. But in his prime,60s-70s, he was a top jock in 2 different countries. Won all the major stakes in the states and even has a triple crown under his belt. There are jocks with far less credentials in the hall as we speak.

He was a terrible jockey.

[kgar311]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He was a terrible jockey.

He may have been in your book and many peoples that watched him race in the 80s, but there isnt a jockey racing now a days that wouldnt die for the credentials he has and a triple crown alone would be enough for some.

[Revidere]

Originally Posted by blackthroatedwind

He was a terrible jockey.

Who said this?

"The Belmont lasts 2 and a half minutes and that's a long time to go without the Frenchman screwing it up."


Hint: He put Cruguet up on Road Princess to win the Mother Goose at 42-1 earlier in the day.

[Betsy]

Gulch?